View Full Version : Treating Yourself with DWC....4 Plant Personal Med Grow
Hey...howaya....this is my DWC show...welcome :) I have never harvested indoor DWC...and I have been trying for a while. I need all the help I can get, obviuosly, lol. This will be an Afghooey show. 4 plants.
I did a thread on my setup...please check it out...it is abound with DWC information. This will be a journey...another chapter in the saga...follow along as I try and get my first harvest...
I am currently running the system with the following products to see if I can get by with tap water...SM-90, Bio Nova's BN-ZYM (enzyme), Superthrive (ST), Liquid Karma (LK), and Epsom Salts (e-salts...for MG...Magnesium)...I added the e-salts to offset the calcium in the tap water also....
The source water PH after recircing for a few minutes was 7.4....once I turned on the airpump...it went to 7.8 (this is because of the calcium in the tap water reacting to the CO2 in the airpump)...I won't attempt to adjust PH until after the solution has circulated for a bit. At which time I will attempt adjust PH to 5.8 (6.0 on my meter is my number...margin of error .02)...THEN after it flattens out....add Pure Blend Pro Grow (PBP)....then I will ascertain that PH stays stabile...
The medium and system has been sterilized with H202....
I have bombed the growspace for pest control and have pest strips....
The Afghooey clones were purchased at a dispensary. They now reside in plastic cups and perlite. I fed them Superthrive (ST) and Liquid Karma (LK), and SM-90...soon as I have a stabile soultion...they will go into the system.
I am currently vegging the Afghooeys (in the cups) around the 400W HPS/Hortilux...
Feel free to post up...let's have fun! Should be a good show... :rolleyes:
just my 2 cents as i have only done hydro once but i found it a breeze useing Ph's udjusted tap water and GN nutes ... i adjusted water added nutes changed rez every other week thats it no adding anything but adjusted water between rez changes.. mind ya my dwc was just simple 5gallon buckets and no ph pen just used the testing drops anyways if i can pull one off im sure you can with your setup ;) as soon as i pull my next mum will be giving a small (4-6 clones) 8inch pvc nft and see how that turns out all i have to pick up is my pump :) good luck and happy growin.....
03-05-2006, 01:21 AM
I just switched to RO water.
The tap water tests
A huge improvment. And if I understand what you're saying, with a lot of the calicum removed, I shouldn't see as much of a mag issue using this water.
I've been playing around testing the water and making small batches of nutes just to get a handle on how much each thing changes my readings.
Hey GriM, thanks for the tips bro. Man, funny you should mention the drop test kit. I have been looking hard for mine lol...crap. My electrode is fried. Not sure when I can replace the darn thing. Actually I was getting the E-1 error code so my readings are probably off. The last test I did though...the "off" readings for the tap and RO were the same though lol...I am gonna forget PH and just dilute the solution by scooping/pumping out 10 gals...and replacing with 10 gals RO (same mix)...this way I won't have to worry. With PBP I am trusting the chemistry to do it's thang...As unpopular as it is...I flush weekly...this run though I will flush at lights out (the plants nighttime)...the plants don't "eat" at night...so I'll flush for the 6 or 12 hours of darkness weekly...this way the ladies don't miss a meal...but yet...they are nice and fresh...down below :) I have seen a couple NFT grows and what appeals to me is how little water is used...and it seems like a "quieter" setup...I'll be watching for your results.....
Hey, buddyh, how ya doin bro? Well...lol...you have some bad water also I see....good thing you're doing a test. Heck if I had operable meters I would compare the 2 again...but I don't....on the MG (Magnesium)...a few factors come into play...but yes, high levels of CA will lock out MG...and can cause PH fluctuation...but...beyond that...PH is a big factor also...many overlook this....I found higher PH wards off MG deficiency when I was in bloom phase with Cali-O...anyways...the nutes you use are a factor...along with the ratio...the mix for the "juice"...If I were still using GH 3 part I'd do Lucas. Heck it is less expensive only using 2 parts...and MG deficiency is less of an issue I've heard....unless using tap water...at least with good pure water...you know you can eliminate a potential issue....which is why I'll do the 10 gallon replacement...
Thx for the visit guys!
Et Al Thx for clicking the link ;)
03-05-2006, 06:49 AM
Yeah, before the RO I always had white residue on top of my soil.
Now though I'm slowly making the switch over to hydro, I no longer see it.
I'm looking forward to 'The Show'. I got my popcorn all ready!
>>>before the RO I always had white residue on top of my soil<<<
Yea that calcium and maybe some salts...chem nutes are just salts anyways.
I have put the afghooeys back under the T-5 24" High Output
Noticed 2 Afghooey lil' ladies were overwatered...I placed my hand over the cup and turned it upside down.....letting water runoff....they are regaining "turgor" now...
I'll be changing out the nutes over the next day or two (lazy lol)
Also...I want nice long roots for the DWC plant...which is also when the pics will start flowing in...
I WILL COVER EVERY ASPECT OF THIS PROCESS...I will show you how I plant...how deep...water level...etc....
This will be a complete log...
For Treatment of Root Disease
SM-90 is a root disease inhibitor which controls common anaerobic fungal and bacterial pathogens. Effective treatment for root disease from ascomycetes pathogens including fusarium, pythium, rhizoctonia, phytopthera, sclerotinia, etc. See reverse page for a listing. When added in small quantities directly to plant nutrient solutions, root disease infestations are inhibited and new root growth emerges. Treated plants develop greater root area and root runs and exhibit a generally healthier root development.
For treatment of tissue fungus (stem and leaf):
When applied directly to foliage or stem SM-90 is an effective agent to treat for many molds, mildew and leaf spot, etc. Effective treatment for botrytis, blight, fusarium, leaf mold, rhizoctonia stem rot, sclerotinia stem rot and others. SM-90 is prepared from natural plant oils and is completely non toxic to humans, animals or of course plants. It is totally biodegradable and environmentally friendly.
For treatment of insect infestation:
When applied directly to foliage or grow mediums SM-90 is an effective agent to discourage and eliminate many common pests including aphids, thrips, spider mite, and whitefly, etc. It is believed to act as a systemic to inhibit insect colonization and to deter reinfestation
Controlled lab and greenhouse tests revealed an unexpected benefit that was observed with the treated subjects. Results indicate that SM-90 dramatically increases the transpiration rate which improves the plants water and nutrient uptake capability. The plants treated consistently used 30% more water and nutrients than the control plants. This would result in an increased metabolism and accelerated growth rate.
I feel in love with this product when I switched from Hydroguard (Hydroguard is uselss IMO!)...and I saw it knock back major algae bloom in rockwool...stuff smells good too lol...
BN-BN-ZYM is a natural bio-catalyst (process accelerator), medium–builder and –improver based on specific enzymes. Enzymes stimulate the water-retaining ability of every medium and decreases the soil-tension of water, which enables a quicker and better penetration of water into the medium. While BN-ZYM penetrates into the medium, it also brings more oxygen into it! Enzymes are specialized protein molecules and work as catalysts in several bio-chemical processes. A few of the most conspicuous characteristics of enzymes is the specific way they work in, and in particular their speed. The conversion of sugar into alcohol by means of chemicals usually takes several weeks or even months, while by means of enzymes this merely takes several seconds! Enzymes always work without any waste matters or side-products.
BN-ZYM brings about an increased bacteria activity, which convert the nutrients and minerals in the soil into material that is directly absorbable by the crop. BN-ZYM catalysises the waste matters and delivers them back to the crop in the form of absorbable nutrients. The result is a balanced crop and decreased sensitivity to all diseases! Moreover, the medium stays clean and free of all sorts of excess components. This is important for every cultivation, but especially for those in which soil and coconut are being re-used.
I love this stuff as much as I do Hygrozyme. Hygrozyme is $36 per quart usd...Cannazyme is about $135 usd for a gallon...BN-ZYM...$75 usd for 5 liters
I am using Botanicare's Pure Blend Pro (PBP) Grow, and also Liquid Karma (LK). You can read up on all botanicare products HERE (http://www.americanagritech.com/)
I chose PBP for the PH buffering. Also it is "organic" (that is debatable...and for the purists...I realize it is not TRULY organic...but certainly safer for the environment than straight chem nutes with those nitrates)...IMO
I first used Liquid Karma in bloom phase with Cali-O in lieu of a PK booster...I loved the results...the buds started frosting up and getting fat...now I'll use it throughout the cycle. I've heard good things about Sweet also...but it has about the same stuff as LK...so I have not tried it yet (poor)
I am not using Cal-Mag plus YET...but I will because I'll be running RO water for the cycle....so with RO water...definitely need to supplement to avoid MG deficiencies. For now...I'll use e-salts and go 2 parts RO to 1 part Tap...
03-06-2006, 11:49 PM
Hey VT.. just heard back from mars.. she said ic has closed reg right now and you can go back if/when they reopen it if you still wanted to.. just wanted to pass that along.. got the TBs in paper towel right now.. peace
Tell us what TB is...
Thx for the relay...I miss Mars....she knows how I feel about her...I just miss her and the med forum...I won't do a show there or post grow tips...I do that here...in my new home...
Build it...they will come ;)
celtic forgot to mention...I foliar sprayed heavily with a SM-90 wetting agent foliar feed...with Pro-Foliar...one of the Afghooeys is sick...but she has new growth...all others look good...
I am able to maintain radiant temps at 72F :D
I have the babies about 6" from the 400W HPS Hortilux ...hehe...environmental control :D
Pics in a few days...a tour of the growroom and all 'dat
03-07-2006, 01:53 AM
pop corn,geeeeeeet your popcorn,peanuts right here.:) waiting patiently for the curtain to open.and heressssssssssssssssssssss VT!lol
03-07-2006, 02:05 AM
Vt.. TB is DJ Short's True Blueberry.. supposed to be a more sativa leaning blues variety, bred with yield improvements in mind also.. Ive always wanted to give blues a try.
72f is beautiful. 6" away is also great - the closer the better. I noticed you mention cool tubes in the other thread, they are GREAT for this - I was able to have 1000w tubes practically touching the new growth with proper temps. tubes come highly recommended, i just cant afford them right now.
I have never gotten into foliar feeding because I am worried about giving improper amounts (too much, too little) and I dont know much about foliar application at all.
soon as the beans go in RW and then pop up, I will share some stuff also.
03-07-2006, 12:03 PM
Hey VT! Nice show.. ;) figuerd id drift around for awhile before registering.. this place is nice! I got tired of reading all the "He says, she said bullshit" at IC. damn... i wish OG dident go down.:mad: Anyway.. looking forward to seeing those pics man! Good Luck..
P.S. Umm... my friend is having some problems keeping the humidity up for vegging.. its at 20 -24% and LOCKED on.. know anything about humidity VT? Already got a humidifer in there.. but.. its a 20$ one.
PPS. Hey diamond.. pass me some of that POPCORN.!
Yo Diamond good to see you at m,y thread homie :) Yea I will post pics soon...not tryin' to tease lol...stay tuned pimpin'...
Celtic...wasup playa'...thx for the TB info...you're a big fan of that breeder lol...I remember the lessons from back in the day you put down...I can't afford ANYTHING right now...I found some 8" tubes at MD Hydroponics...most sell 6"...but for 1K a 8" would be better...I may get the whole shabang...1K and the tube...by mid summer I want to run as close to 1800W HPS as possible...I am not sure if I'll get a couple 600's to have 1600 or get a 1K and eventually another 400...for 1800...not sure yet...but I have total temp control so it doesn't matter...cept saving money....I'm sure a blower to pull the tube will give me enough pulldown to save on cooling energy...we'll see...see you when you get back to OUR DWC THREAD...feel me? This thread is for anyone wanting to do DWC or teach me how to grow lol...I screwed up two clones I think...2 of them had some fungus looking tissue on the leaves (hence the panic mode SM-90 spray)...the affested tissue was destroyed by the spray...now they have to recover...we'll see...if they don't...I'll replace them...I am not a fan of multi-strain runs...but if I killed one of these Afgooeys I'll have to do something...we shall see ;)
Yo woodstock! Wasup loved one ;)...good to see you man!!!!! I am sorry to hear you're having RH issues...I am having them also...IN FACT...I'll be acquiring a humidifier as well. Please share some specs for the one you have....I have been misting my babies...but too much of that can be bad...I also have two 5 gal buckets of water open in the area of the tent...hoping 5the evaporation helps raise RH also....I am gonna give humidifier a shot soon as I can get one...I was thinking it would be like $50 for a good one...how many pints is yours? What is your growspace CFM? Mine is 350 cubic feet....low RH sucks lol...the leaves lose "turgor"....and it screws up metabolism too....stressful if too low...25% is waaaaay too low...I am dealing with it in the 40's...still not good...I'd like 55%...good to see another DWC grower! Much love for you man...thx for joining TY!
Et Al Whether you love me or hate me ;)...I am glad ya clicked the link :D
Hey guys...found this chart from Krusty! Lol...I forgot I had it...this pic...explains why I went vertical...
Check it out...Krusty...
Also the clones appear to be recovering!!! We are getting closer to time to plant... ;)
I made a a small drip feed out of the cups the clones are in lol...kinda cool...I punced major holes in the bottom of the cups...and I will handfeed them daily at lights on a couple times...they are really close to the 400W...so they will transpire more...also my RH is a lil low...
03-08-2006, 12:47 AM
dang I had a long reply typed up but it got eaten by a server timeout.
Yea DJ is one of my favorites. He has written a book on breeding which is available everywhere (borders, etc). I'd like to get it for future projects. I think SD IBL x TB would be crazy.
MD Hydro is reliable and has good prices. they also have digitals for cheap but you have to call to ask about em casue they dont list them on the site for some reason. your light situation is tough, cause with 1800 you'd have 2 400s which dont have as much penetration (maybe use 1 of the 400s for a mom/veg area and do perpetual?). with the 600s you'd get more penetration, but it all depends on what you have in mind i suppose.
The cool tubes are def a great choice. just be aware you will need to do minor wiring yourself when it arrives. with proper conditions, cool tubes can allow light to be basically touching plants, and also negate the need for air conditioning which is hard on elec. use.
monocropping is always the most efficient but variety is the spice of life ;) I alway have room for something new if its worthy ;) yikes about the afghooey though, glad they are recovering. i have heard a lot of good stuff about afghooey. should be a great medicinal indica.
Yes it helps me with my neuropathy...Indicas like Afghooey work well. It's a good hash strain too...
So...good point man on the penetration with a 400. I'll just add something to the 400...and just ride out the life of the existing 400. I wanna veg with floros.
I am working towards a perpetual...soon as this crop gets going I wanna clones my future mom's and veg another set of plants....
With DWC we don't need lots of plants :) So four plants that step into the 1000 HPS bloom room are vegged up about 45 days under floros...so yea..perpetual...
Do you think I should get a digi 600? Do they have the digi 600's available for tubes?
Yea man two of the afghooeys had dampening off...one had it when I got it...that dispensary gets lots of complaints about the clones...and these clones looked like crap too...purple stems and stuff...lower growth cuts..anyways thx for the visit..
03-08-2006, 01:54 AM
Yeah man I think perpetuallity is the way to go when its set up properly.
As far as the 600, I would personally get one if I could afford them (digital). Some shops have them on display so one can see the effectiveness. I got to pick one up and mess with it while it was turned on.. no heat, no noise, about 1/4 the size od a shoebox, very light weight, more productive with lumens and more effeicient with energy. Certain early lumatek models have been known to cause AM frequency radio interference within short distances so be careful about those ans research before you buy. they are expensive but worth it in my mind. i planned to go with digital, but could not afford.
yes the beauty of DWC is low plant count and fast, vigorous veg time. they are gonna be some serious monsters if you let em go 45 days, lol! I had some 6 ft out of control SDs that had only been vegged 21 days. last round I wasnt able to veg as desired, only 12 days, and was still amazed by productivity. I can only imagine 45 days - that some serious stuff.
yea, i have never been to a club but am told that they can be a haven for mites and plant disease, such as powdery mildew. gotta be careful.. caveat emptor and all that..
yea you can get a cool tube for pretty much any ballast you want. you have to wire the cool tube to the ballast yourself, because of how they ship it, so it is very customizable.
>>>they are gonna be some serious monsters if you let em go 45 days<<<
Under floros though..so they won't transpire and feed as much...still though...they'll be big lol....
Well I am definitely feelin good about the lagging clones...the PBP , LK, and enzymes and SM-90 are workin some magic so far :)
I am really afraid to not have a PPM meter though...I don't worry about PH with PBP in DWC...but the PPM's...different story...
I am gonna plant Friday...hopefully by then the clones will be ready...
I am just too impatient to run my setup waiting for roots to crawl down...
At least when the roots breakfree of the "substrate" ..."drowning" is not an issue...
03-08-2006, 02:14 AM
Hey man, I know what you mean about being impatient for the roots to hit the water. I also like to wait till they are longer to put them in, thats why i often give my cuts 2 weeks instead of 1. once they hit the water they just go insane. i talked to a canadian back on OG and he told me he could sit there all day and watch them grow about 2 inches a day. lol.
don't sweat the lack of TDS meter man. you can judge by looking at them, let them tell you what you need to add or lay off of. as long as you follow your feeding recipe (which formula are yo using, btw?) then you should be okay. Plus, you know they are soaking up the nutes when the PH rises. one nice thing about GH was I could tell by simply looking how concentrated the nutes were. it was obvious when they had been feeding with GH.
>>>which formula are yo using, btw?<<<
I am gonna go with:
-1 tsp/gal LK
-1/8th tsp/gal ST
-7 tbsp/gal PBP Grow
-2 ml/gal SM-90
-8 ml/gal BN-ZYM
You should do a tutorial after the pics are all done on you bubbler...
I started out in a bubbler like that...actually a SWC wick (Emily's Garden)...
I wanna do some also...but unless they have pics...they are not as helpful...I wanna help med patients grow man...
That's why I am doin this...well..and to fellowship with others....and show off :D
Anyways....I hope you do some...it will help people learn DWC...Planet Ganja has pic file availability...they lack info and pictorials also...Blaze is gonna do some stuff at ICMAG (they have pics also)....anyways it is sad all the grow info is gone...and the pics...sad man...and it doesn't seem many are eager to replace it...seems that way...
We are though huh Celtic
Maybe do some stuff there....
>>>Planet Ganja has pic file availability...they lack info and pictorials also<<<
I'd better clean that up...they have lots of step by steps WITH PICS...they just don't have what we had at OG...so there is plenty of opportunity to help the cause by goin to these sites and doing this sort of thing...and of course do it here...but the pic thing is a lil different....reading a thread where you see the pics are gone is strange...imagine all the FAQ's on OG with NO PICS...in fact ICMAG has a thread on OG cached FAQ's...good stuff...but somje are just better with the damn pics man
I still miss OG lol....man they hurt growers cause many cannot rely solely on a damn book or video...and all the big talkers that told me I was a noid are hiding...scared to post pics....lol...
if you're LEGAL...ask yourself...IS IT WORTH IT??
03-08-2006, 02:48 AM
I was totally ignorant of the med scene until just a couple of months ago, really. now that I have discovered it, it has given me purpose. I get a good feeling out of thinking I am helping some med patients (I just hope some see your threads and find our contributions useful). I feel a real sense of purpose helping out med patients and would like to look into becoming a caregiver some day if it were safe to do so. I like the feeling that I am making a difference.. just hope I really am, ya know?
dont worry I plan on doing step by step "how to use" after I finish the "how to build" section.. just dont have anything else to post till they sprout.
Right on man...in my state...anyone can be a caregiver essentially. In my county...the prospective caregiver goes to OCBC, gets the forms. The forms are a doctors stratement of the patient authorizing YOU to caregive for said patient. Then you go back...and you and the patient register with OCBC and pay the registration fee...
That's it...so any growers that know a patient in need CAN caregive for that person...irrespective of the caregivers med patient status.
A caregiver can also purchase meds at dispensaries for patients as well....
SB-420 also states that the caregiver can receive reasonable compensation for expenses and labor also. The catch is crossing county lines....supposedly only one patient is allowed outside of your county...so if you live in The City...you could only have one Oaksterdam patient...
I am just goinna grow for myself...but I do plan to share meds with local patients I know...I don't want to profit in anyway....I once considered caregiving and contributing on that front...but decided not to after what I went through....
03-08-2006, 01:59 PM
Hey VT! That damn humidifier I have is a cheapo (20$) Wal-Mart one.. its a cool mist and you cant even see the mist.. its a one gallon fill also.. heres a link if you wanna check it out but i would save my money for one that actually puts out mist you can see.. http://www.relion.com/coughcold/humidifiers.asp?product=40
it made my humidity in the cab go up to 25% from 24%.. YAY. lol. this stuff is REALLY gettin on my nerves ..I have no idea how much CFM the cab is right now.. all i know is my exaust fan pulls 210 CFM..im also gonna post a thread for my problem cause i dont wanna take up your room space to ask my silly questions.. but im here for the show man.. and to learn all that I can from a good grower..
03-08-2006, 03:19 PM
on the humidity if you have control of temp good can you slow it down.it will riase the temp but you got way room to jugle.take it up to 78-80 if you have to.that will help retain moistier.cant tell you how much tho.if you multipul top your plants you can make beds that dont need alot of penatration.takes longer in veg tho.then taller the plant the bigger the cola.just rambling.you dont want to generate dew in the bucket either.or if your running rails.conditions,conditions,conditions,lol.pretty fun stuff dialing them in.
03-08-2006, 03:35 PM
on the humidity if you have control of temp good can you slow it down.it will riase the temp but you got way room to jugle.take it up to 78-80 if you have to.that will help retain moistier.cant tell you how much tho.if you multipul top your plants you can make beds that dont need alot of penatration.takes longer in veg tho.then taller the plant the bigger the cola.just rambling.i used to run 747 style.74 degrees 47-50 percent humidity.one plant i run up to 2200 ppms for streangth but most 1700 for eating.smoke good too,hehe.also,dont want to create dew in buckets,conditions are a must.i flush buckets depending on res or whatever..5 gallons weekly flush.35-40 gallon res.every 2 weeks.top off with adjusted water inbetween.i forgot what you call the adjustment.you can raise or lower it.i just cant remember right now what it called,sorry.something else.i forgot tho.later,k+.oh,water 68 dgrees worked well.
Great advice Diamond!!! woody just started a thread...looks like he got his RH up a bit.
Keep us posted woody
I'll be back in just a bit to give you guys a full pictorial tour of my setup
Hope everyone is feelin ok todeay...been kinda rough for me physically today...I'll be back with some tour shots...
From the front row!
Here are a couple shots of the burned and sick clone. She was burned from a heavy SM-90 and foliar spray...she had dampening off...there was dead tissue...some turning necrotic...
The closeups show what a burned plant looks like in DWC...also...notice where I snipped the infected leaf set...
New ones coming out...new shoots :cool:
Poor thing...hope she makes it...I'll be gentle and sweet...
Next....more plants and then the feeding schedule
Here are the rest of the clones.
One shot shows the airpump....also notice how the 400W is positioned....the plants are about 5" from the light...
The sick C-99 may be ok...she sat in my garage for a while...had to take her from the mediumless bubbler she was born in...gonna clone her and sex her someday :)
Also...the lil Teddy Bear wants to say hello to a new TY friend ;)
I'll follow the directions on the bottles except for LK and ST...I will do 1 tsp per gal of LK
1/8th tsp per gal of Superthrive (ST)
PBP grow 7 ml/gal
Cal-Mag Plus 1 Tsp per gal
BN-ZYM enzymes 8 ml/gal
2 ml/gal SM-90
I foliar feed with Pro-Foliar by Botanicare
Notice the utensils I use! All handy...
0PPM RO source water. I buy from a machine. The Glacier machines are the best...I've checked!!!
Next...a pictorial tour of my setup in detail...
The lid I have is pre-fabbed from a hydro shop. These lids sit in black buckets. You can take any bucket and tape it...OR tape panda plastic on it...white side facing out...black side touching the buckets :) Notice the dimensions in the pic...you can easily make your own!
I'm too lazy...
Next....I'll do a recirc pictorial step by step
Step One It all starts with a 5 gallon controller bucket
Step Two The nutes are pumped to and THROUGH the chiller by that FAT CA 2200 850 GPH pump :cool:...it is a 5/8" line feeding to the chiller
the water is forced by the pump...pushed through the chiller...gravity and pressure ensure a constant flow and even levels ;). The chiller keeps the nutes at or under 68F at all times :D
Step Three The nutes go from the chiller through the chiller outline and the 5/8" Line from the chiller is reduced to 1/2 " to accomodate the 1/2" bucket manifold feed line
Step Four The nutes then are fed by the 1/2" Line that is reduced...and then get "pushed" through the distribution manifold (pressure at work here)
Step Five The manifold feeds the 1/4" supple lines to each bucket. The lines are on the SIDE of the buckets....this is so I can easily rotate and remove the lids :cool:
Step 6 The water is then drained (returned) back to the controller through the 3/4" drain lines in each bucket. I think my buckets change out 20 times an hour or more :D.
Next...a look inside the buckets...the ladies' new home ;)
03-09-2006, 11:40 PM
hey VT.. I think you are trippin a bit man that clone looks ok to me. dont worry.. it looks like it wil be ok man.. very fresh looking setup! put the beans in rw today.. i hate waiting
Lol I aint worried celtic...they are about to hit the DWC now...these ladies will get nice and ready...for -VT- ;) We'll plant tonight...
Batteries Died Lol...gonna replace them and then we will look at the growroom Aplliances and the temps etc...
Stay tuned...ladies...get comfortable ;)
03-09-2006, 11:53 PM
munching on the popcorn!
Very interesting looking setup. Oh my, it looks like a lot of love and work went into the making!
03-10-2006, 12:38 AM
hmm, VT.. now that you are using cal-mag, do you also use epsom salts? or was that a replacement?
Hey there, green girl, thx for the visit sweetie! I'm honored that a great grower such as yourself has poisted on my thread. I am looking forward to learning from you. I like your posting style and the way you explain things. Really nice to see you...pass the popcorn,...and stop hogging the blanket! :D
Here's a rose for you Green Girl @}};~~
Hey celtic! I won't use the epsom salts now. I decided to go with RO...which if you read the PBP bottle...it says Cal-Mag required with RO water ;)...I am gonna plant tonight...the new growth shows me the roots are healthy and growing...time to handwater those roots to the rez...and let these ladies mature...I think they are better as they mature with age...as with any woman :)...thx for hangin bro :)
A look at the basic elements next....
Light, Air, Water...starting with light...
I changed the way I hang the light vertically. At some point I will add a cool tube and a more intense light. I used a sturdy wallboard anchor to screw a "eyehook" into. Then used an S-hook to connect the chain. The chain has the yo-yo hanger connected to it. Yo-yo hangers are vewy vewy quiet...ssssshhhhh ;)
Yo-yo hangers are easily adjustable and more accurate :)
Also.. I keep my physician's statement posted...just in case....
I don't exhaust...I am way too paranoid to vent out a window lol...so it will need to be improved...I'll be adding my HEPA filter back soon...
I have a central Air vent that is in the tent.
I use a portable AC. It has an ionizer that cleans air and odor! It intakes from the sides...does the heat echange with the intake and exhausts hot humid air....which right now is good cause it's a heater for the adjacent room ;) It has a timer...remote all that jazz....it has dehunidifying cpability also :) I wish I'd bought a Supentown! Anyway I get distilled wtaer from the drain ;) 50 PPM :)
I have a 50 Pint Dehumidifier in the tent. It sits at the tent opening....to control the intake...it has some nice digital functionality as well...it produces 50 PPM distilled water also :)...and I have a Dehumidifier at the entrance of the space the tent is in...it's 35 pints...35 pinters suck...that's why I have 2 now lol...
I have pool liner on the floor which is in the base...forgot to mention earlier. I got mine at Lowes...$35 usd
And as you can see in the hygrometer pic...the climate..is on point!!!
Where you goin'? Tour aint over...next we look at the buckets...
Hey Celtic I thought you were using tap water? If using tap water with PBP...tap has CALCIUM...so just add esalts...but RO has NO CALCIUM OR MAGNESIUM...or anything lol...so if you're running RO...if you use e-salts don't use too much or you will lock out other stuff...like manganese and others...
The net I use I got in the aquariam section at walmart...great for scooping stuff out...
I have the water level JUST below the netpot...as shown...some start with the water an inch IN the pot....it is a matter of preference...the key is not to plant with roots still not free of the substrate...in such a way as to allow the substrate to remain in contact with the nutes...this can cause rots and the roots can get DO deprived if stuck in a soggy wet substrate (i.e. rockwool, rapid rooters etc...) So be careful how you plant! If roots are free of the substrate it is no issue...which is why I had mine in perlite a few days :) We'll cover that momentarily...
Here is the airpump...it is a GH dual..it has four ports...these ports could easily be split and run 8 buckets....I just need 4 :)....the air is pumped to the stones via the airline. The pic has some good tips on muffling :)
This is why roots can sit in water in DWC...they get Oxygen from the air pumped in (simplistic explanation).
You can see the splash from the recirc supply line...and all those bubbles!!! I will drop the stones after the roots hit the rez....for now I want the splashing bubbles....soaker hose won't do it...looks like a whirlpool in there huh? Hydro guys get it wetter ;)
The chiller keeps the water/nutes at 68F...
Time to plant now :D
03-10-2006, 03:31 AM
damn, no kidding, those are some serious bubbles. those gh dual diaphrams are mondo pumps. they dont kid around when you dont Tee them off. Yeah I am using tap, and I am alllll too familiar with the calcium in it.. where I used to live, the ph was 0.5 higher and had enormous amounts of calcium. "hard water" I think they call it?
I have never seen those yo-yo hangers, very cool. also.. 50ppm is awesome.. I was seeing about 220ppm out the tap before, no idea what it is now but i suspect a little less.
your heat exchange setup with the portable AC reminds me of Mr clean's back at OG.. did you ever check out his shows? he was definitely on point.. lived up to his name.. ran 16k spots, 8k per room, and had some very smart air exchange going on, had the 8k rooms on opposite timers.. did you see that air exchange system? wish OG was still around :( but when life gives you lemonade, find someone whos life gave them vodka, and throw a party, right?
very thorough man.. got your rez and ambient temps on lock, got plenty of DO going on, good genetics, lighting and airflow on point.. for lack of better word, lookin very professional bro. now its all about time.. time kills me.. it is invaluable.. i feel that I waste too much time as is.. but only time will tell.. ;)
keep on keepin on VT..
03-10-2006, 04:19 AM
I was wondering...What hosepower is that chiller?
And is it an inline or a drop in coil? Oh, and how much do they cost (about)?
Lol wasup celtic...how are ya? You still hangin wit' me...thx man. Lol...I was so caught up in woody's thread I forgot mine hehehe...you'll be fine with the tap water...PBP is some awesome stuff.
Yea I like to recycle that water from the appliances...I can get enough each week for a rez change....I won't be running the dehimidifiers til bloom phase though...
I never saw that OG show to which you refer...bummer...
My belief is that this is a game of environmental control...that's it...my first two grows I got root rot...how the hell is skill gonna save roots in 79F root zone temps??? I started in bad weather for DWC...I should have done soil...I HAVE HARVESTED SOIL...soil is very forgiving...but more work...I also harvested some outdoor as well...then when I had fat buds in DWC...I got raided lol...so I don't feel like a failure...I have killed lots of plants...and that just made me a better grower...and experienced...
Thx for the kind words and visit celtic
I was wondering...What hosepower is that chiller?
And is it an inline or a drop in coil? Oh, and how much do they cost (about)?
Hey GM!...sorry I missed you..we posted at the same time lol...I am honored to see you at my thread...I have been learning a lot from you (some of that material and knowledge has manifested in some posts :) )
Anyways...it's a 1/10 HP
I got it for $381 shipped...good for up to 100 gallons they claim...but I say 80 to 90....I have run as much as 60 and had cold water...
It draws a max current of 2.2 Amps...110 volts...
The company is in Cali where I got mine...great service too....I forgot the name lol...I have my receipt somewhere...they are in google though
it's a CL-280...manufactured in Oregon...
it is an "inline"...the supply and return fittings can accommodate a 1/2" OR 5/8"...I chose 5/8" inch to maximize flow...cause they perform better with a lot of water flowing through...I'd say the minimum is what I am running...which is 16 gallons...anything less I would say get a "Thermoelectric Chiller"....
Thx for the visit!
Yo GM....here a couple more chiller shots...should give you a better idea...
THEY GENERATE HEAT...so I have it OUTSIDE the tent...
Next...the DWC Plant :D
I forgot to post this shot earlier...sowwwwy...it shows where I start the water in the 5 gal buckets. 3 gallons of water will bring a 5 gallon bucket's water level to the bottom of the netpot :) If you are unsure design your lid like mine (I posted shots with dimensions) and add 3 gallons :) So...4 buckets is 12 gallons...a controller another 3...I have a lil over a gallon in the plumbing...16 gallon system...not bad...
I'll be RIGHT BACK with the plant shots
Hey everyone...I have waited a long time for this moment. Wish me luck and my babies good health. And to anyone here I've offended...my apologies...try and understand my perceived anger is really...just ...unresolved fear...anger is fear based in my opinion...so I'm no big tough guy...when I assume that posture it's a defense mechanism...to hide the scared emotional child within(dang this Trainwreck is good LMAO....MMJ is so good for me and my temperment :)...and I am eating!)...wheeeeew...I did it lol
Ok...notice the roots are free of the substrate (substrate is the stuff that holds the seedlings or the clones in hydro...rockwool...oasis cubes...peat pellets...rapid rooters..etc...)...this is good...it minimizes the chances of rots and stuff...
I rinsed off the perlite...came right off...the more mature water roots are stained from Liquid Karma...does the same thing in the buckets...anyways...movin' on :)
I place the plant in the netpots 2" deep...just above the holes...my netpot is 5" deep...so the first 2" are not expose...this is where I want the substrate cause I don't want it saturated until the roots get well established...with me so far?....the bubbles will jump into the rocks...and the roots will crawl (gravity) and they will eventually get to the nutes...I will handwater the medium regularly...this will feed them and innoculate the medium with sm-90 and enzymes....
Real easy to plant...just handle the roots carefully...
I posted my feeding schedule earlier in the thread...
If anyone would like to add their DWC experience or techniques...please do so...if your ideas are different...that's even better!!!! We can educate...any questions ask away......
We're all set!!!! Day one veg Afghooey...it's been a long road for me ladies and gentlemen
I love this song...listening now...her voice soothes me...
From the top you can see so far into the distance
Look it's downhill all the way from here
Getting there is quicker like going you just slide
Shouldn't take more then a year
I could almost like you
Now it's nearly over
Now you've shown some weaknesses
Now you're looking older
And I heard what you said
And I recognise those feelings
I know how hard it is to watch you go
And all the effort that it took to get here in the first place
And all the effort not to let the effort show
And I could almost like you
Now you're falling over
Now you're feeling hopeless
Now you're looking over your shoulder
Who's gonna come and find you?
Who's coming up behind you?
If you can ride the backlash
There's still time for a comeback
You don't have to lie down and die
But Lazarus only did it the one time
He couldn't face another try
And I could almost like you
Now it's really over
Now you've shown some weakness
Now you're looking over your shoulder
Who's gonna come and find you?
And who's coming up behind you?
Everything But The Girl
03-10-2006, 01:27 PM
the girls are lookin healthy VT.. I love your setup's decorations, lol.. thats some cool stuff..
Lol...those African pieces were purchased in Kenya when I went to Mombasa...I hope they are lucky for me...I am feelin good about a 4 plant harvest...just worried about one..maybe two Afghooeys...I wish I had my camera that day when I got those clones ...I woulda showed you how terrible they looked...but my ass was in a hurry...and the other strains were Sativas..I aint flowering for 10 weeks after all this stuff lol...
I just noticed one Afghooey clones roots were all dessicated...that sponge rapid rooter...those things are split in the side ...anyways I don't like handling them...rockwool better IMO....lesson learned....I will never buy LPC clones again...ever...cause they never have em in rockwool...I mishandled it at some point...just noticed it today...anyways I think I can save it...I put her in a MDWC mini 3 gall bubbler...she is in shade...don't wanna give her much light right now...the root bumps are huge....I am feeding her LK, zymes, ST, and SM-90...in the MDWC....I put a Hashplant in her place in the system....now those HP roots were like 2" long...they were here longer and have been rooting longer...I checked the other Afghooeys one more time so I don't waste a bucket in the system....but they are all ready to root...I'd say in 10 days they should hit the rez...HP may hit the rez in much less time...the others may be 10 days or more...
I am gonna cut my losses this run man...in other words I am gonna do the entire run with this 400...hell long as I can not buy meds...then I can fix up my ghetto setup and make it top notch...so I don't care as long as I get at least 4 zips....that'll last me 2 months for the next show...I am not gonna buy meds and spend more money on this stuff right now...
I am gonna start working on some DIY projects...that discussion is on my setup thread....
Anyways be interesting to see what happens with this transplanted plant...I bet it lives and roots again...
03-10-2006, 11:58 PM
wow, kenya, thats awesome man. id love to go back to africa. i went to SA and namibia years ago, loved it.
shit man. if you're aimin for a quap i think you will be pleasantly surprised.. i am sure you will hit that with ease ;)
1 thing i will tell you.. I know several people that dont put initial waterline directly beneath the cup.. reason being, the youngins strive harder to hit the rez because they need it more - they get lazy if they are able to feed constantly because the level is so high. they start with lower water level, like an inch below, and then raise it once it hits, as sufficient root mass is developed etc. not sure if this concept really makes much sense or not.. just sharing something I have heard from others..
I have heard that before (in fact I've preached it lol)...I think there is some truth to the theory of making them more resilient that way...I start below the netpot...one time I went the other route and lost a plant (rockwool)
Hey celtic share your thoughts on intense light on babies...
I was just realizing that I have been screwing up these first few days...thank goodness I caught myself...I think blasting them with light has slowed them down...I think they root slower when blasted with light...I raised my light considerably...and I am betting this will speed it up....I used to start at 18"...but it was because of heat...and the OG FAQ...but then the "back of the hand rules" caused me to forget that when rooting...less light is desirable...what do you think? Lemme know...
03-11-2006, 05:29 AM
you arent rooting them under the 400 are you man? you're using flouros for that process right? my basic understanding is that HPS/MH (high intensity) lighting is detrimental to the rooting process and will kill the cuts. so this would lead me to believe that as long as you meet the min requirements for rooting lighting, that less is more.
to be honest i keep it as simple as possible. in the past ive just taped a 30w flouro tube to the plastic top of a humidity dome on top of the cutting tray and its been 100% success.. i would be apprehensive about using too much light here, were you using your 100w+ flouros on them? or are you, rather? if so that may be bad..
under rooted conditions, no such thing as too much light. the sun is far more powerful than any light we can simulate. so its like you said, all about heat.. at that point.. but i'd say keep it to a minimum when cloning.. just my .02 man..
No I was referring to the crop...look at Blazeoneup and tree growers...they have those lights hung well over the plants...I have it 12" away right now...I am gonna think on it some more....but for now I am backing off a bit...plus I can shut the AC down in doing so...when the roots hit the rez I will blast them with light at that point...and it'll save me some coin...
That clone where I tore open the plug and killed the roots...it is under a T5...I had it under a 4 footer but after learning some stuff from green girl I went back to the T5...I wanna set up a veg area with floros...she is gonna help me with that....
I have yet to setup a cloning station also...I have the space allocated for it...
Anyways...thx for the reply...
03-11-2006, 06:09 AM
ah.. well i would say that you are probably playing it safe with that choice and it makes sense to me. but when they hit the water.. i'd say no such thing as too much
I just lowered it back down...the one clone I showed a pic of made me do it ...it is slowly developing a new leaf set and I think that light helped...
Those clones were crap...but I mishandled that rapid rooter....they have some slit on the side...if you open that or handle it in such a way as to allow it to happen...the roots are dessicated...with rockwool it is firm IMO...that sponge stuff you have to really be careful takin em out of those plastic trays...
One thing I have found in my experimentation...I get the best coverage by having the tip of the bulb right at the tops...
I hate this part ...waiting for roots to hit the rez...seems like it takes forever...
03-11-2006, 12:43 PM
I know what you mean man.. brings me back to when i was rambling about time before ;) Hey, they are seeming very reluctant to pop out of rockwool. they germed fine. ive had them in the rw a good 2 or so days now i think. one has popped out but still has seed casing attatched and doesnt look very developed, as if it popped out early, because the cotedylons are not out of the bean casing yet at all but its standing up.
on one other i have been able to see a tiny piece of the root as if it were about to pop out too, but it hasnt changed from that in 24 hrs. i am keeping them damp and under a halogen (not very close, not too warm - could it be too cold, tho?) should I switch them under the 400? can you think of anything im doing wrong? im incredibly paranoid, i know, but i am concerned at how long they are taking
03-11-2006, 03:42 PM
I decided it may have been too cold, and I moved them under the 400 both for better light and for more heat. got them about 10 inches away from the bulb and it is in the mid 70s in there, was prolly in low 70s, high 60s, in other spot under halogen. last time i did this they were up by now but i used flouros.. so i am thinking they will like the new light..
here is overall pic plus a pic of the shell casing i was concerned about (boy does that sound aalias or what lol)
The one in the shell casing will be just fine...My C-99 was like that...I posted shots on my other thread...that casing can be peeled off (I was too scared to try it but many others do... woody did that on OG....mine just fell off and the plant grew on.
Wow...your temps are really good man....your seedlings will take off sooner than my clones I bet...thx for sharing on my thread man
03-11-2006, 05:30 PM
i have had shells hanging on before but never like this.. before it has been like the casing itself clinging to a leaf.. its strange..
hmm so you dont think the 400 is too strong? just dont wanna cook them. they seem to be responding well though so i think long as the wool stays damp all will be well
seedlings can handle lots of light...but I have only raised a few seedlings...but in my limited experience...they can handle lots of light early on...clones on the other hand...I have screwed some up with too much light...
There was an FAQ on OG titled "do roots grow in the dark?"...it explained all that...but...it's gone...I referred to it alot...same for the FAQ Allonhara did on metabolism...
I think you'll be alright....with a new clone...it is still makin roots and I just think too much light can slow that down...
Ok I planted the Trainwreck and I placed the dying Afhgooey in the tent...I am hopeful the Aghooey I told you guys about (the one I screwed up and tore the roots) makes it...I threw in a shot of the root bumps...
Also a shot of new growth from the other one I was worried about...the one I posted a pic of earlier in the thread...it's recovering!
03-11-2006, 11:40 PM
Great show there happening, -VT-. :)
I grew out some hashplant.....very nummy.
Great trich producer to say the least. :D :D :D
Pretty powerful scent though.
You are most definitely going to need that carbon scrubber when she starts to flower.
One of my faves for sure.
Howaya, darlin' :) Thx for the compliment...I am doing this show for you...and others that are new like I....hope the pics help...
I am all but ready to give up that poor baby in the MDWC...but we'll give it a week or so...and if no roots pop I'll toss it. I have smoked HP a few times and loved it...I see you have good taste :D
I sure hope the scrubber does the job when I build it...however, my lady, we got a while...I plan to veg for a minimum of 30 days
The reason I have the appliances you see is due to past failures....I never got a chance to buy a scrubber cause I had root rot twice...got a chiller...had heat stress...got an AC...had high RH in bloom phase...then got dehumidifiers...
My AC kills odor....when I was raided the cops were cool lol...we talked about growing...they seemed fascinated with my setup and kept marveling at how the odor was undetectable...I did exhaust out of a window then though...I don't now...and won't...so I pray the scrubber helps...I followed a HP show on OG and was impressed...
You're gonna love DWC...I am still learning how to grow...and much of my energy went into learning environmental control issues....you got it made, baby...you know how to grow
See ya soon?
sedative ocean ...DWC sista'...we got your back :)
Hey VT.. just heard back from mars.. she said ic has closed reg right now and you can go back if/when they reopen it if you still wanted to.. just wanted to pass that along..
I just tried to rejoin on the same handle...it currently shows me as the newest member...I hope they confirm it and let me in...
Celtic I replanted all my DWC system plants....when the roots broke free (I removed the rocks and checked...not recommended) I replanted...
I severely burned the TW...she can't handle that feeding I went with...when I flush I am gonna tinker with the mix somehow...but hopefully I can PM a couple people over there to help me out...
So my plants have gotten shorter lol...RH has been good so long as I keep temps around 72F at the canopy.
The dying plant (the one whose roots I tore mishandling that rapid rooter)....I am confident that that plant will root...
When all the roots hit the rez and that MDWC roots...I'll post some shots...not sure when :p
03-17-2006, 07:19 PM
damn I am sorry to hear about your TW. do you know if its the arcata cut? I am told that one is more sensitive to nutes. if you arent sure if its that cut or not, were you told how long it takes to finish? the arcata one is supposed to be a good 2-3 weeks faster, approx 50 days.. good luck with the flush.
good luck with the injured girl.
hey btw, 42 is the minimum sustainable RH, right? havent dipped below 49 yet but I am uncomfortable that low. where I used to live it was like 100% humidity heh. big change in the climate.
btw happy st patties to ya
I got it at a dispensary...so I cannot say what cut it is....it'll live though...but she is very nute sensitive....I fed her the "rooted cuttings" dose and she didn't like it AT ALL...but she is not near death...just burned...for veg I think 55%-60% is best...I see stress in the 40's...I mist these babies a lot...well at least with low RH molds no issue lol...the dispensary has complaints about PM...after drying out in the low 40's a few days maybe I got lucky...
Happy St Patties Day to you as well bro :)...thx for reminding me lol...and I just happen to be wearing some green...
Conclusion....BAD IDEA :D
Those water roots are NOT suitable for soil or soilless and it took a while for the roots to recuperate...plus they sat in my garage in about 60F temps (right when the whole uncertainty with OG was goin on ;) ) ...anyways...she is recovering...I fired up the T5 again....4 bulbs...24"...I love these T5's
In fact...I am gonna stick with my 400W for bloom for now...and focus on acquiring T5's for veg...I want two, 4 bulb, 48"...that's at least $400...so it'll be a while :p
I threw in some shots...along with the pruning of lower growth and "LST"...(Low Stress Training...aka bondage...see the chain? hehe)...I wanted a a bunch of colas...and when they bust new shoots I'll clone and sex this plant....I want to do this while I am in bloom phase with the Afgooey...
Anyways...good news here is that the Gypsy Nirvana F2 C-99 has healthy, lush green, new growth :)
03-18-2006, 01:22 AM
holy cow man that c99 has really exploded. looking great!! your LST is phenomenal man, what a nice even canopy, almost looks topped, great training. dang man I'm jonesin over here lol gonna be hard pressed to compete with that kind of training ;) not that its a competition, but man its beautiful. I have personally never vegged to that size in dwc before, when you flip 12/12 you'll have created a monster something epic lol.
wow those T5s are very expensive I had no idea that flouros could cost so much. clearly those t5s mean business though. its a lucrative market :( if you want a less expensive option you could always consider a digital 250 or 400.
hey for what its worth i transplanted my moms my first run ever from dwc to soil because I was a silly noob and fed them 450ppm as seedlings and burnt them, and for some reason the flush didnt seem to improve much. it was a last ditch effort and worked really well, used fox farm ocean forrest. but I have never done soiless =/
Thx man...but it in a soilless mix right now...it was in a MDWC...but I put it in that pot...
I have abused that plant lol...but yea the new growth is lookin good...the PH liquid tester always shows peepee yellow...perfect...I have not adjusted PH...I am running to waste though...if I recycled maybe I'd have PH issues...
I am concerned about the Hashplant (the DWC...remember I have 3 Afghooey's and one Hashplant in the system...Trainwreck and the MDWC Afghooey in standalones) takin the food lol...it is really busting out...and is very phunky ALREADY....if she starts showi deficiencies as a result of being ahead of the others I'll put her in a standalone and make clones...I really like this Hashplant...perfect strain for DWC...
The sidelighting is causing them to branch out...it seems like they are not growing...but they are...they start bushing out right away with this sidelighting(vertical)
Oh...on the T5's...reason I wanna go that route is cause of heat...I am thinking ahead to summertime...I don't wanna buy another chiller...
I will build a 4 x 4 right next to the bloom room...I'll vent ducting to the veg tent...but wanna keep temps down...and with T5's they can touch the plants...no heat at all really...
I bloomed a C99 ( dispensary clone) in soil under that T5 (actually 2...I chopped one...got raided before I could chop the others...)
thx for the visit celtic
03-18-2006, 04:38 AM
I just bought a 6 tube 4' T5 w/bulbs for $239+shipping for another member -
324 watts!! :) A 4 tube goes for $189!
Trainwreck has very thin leaves and burns very, very easy..
I run PBP at 900-1100ppm drip in soiless mix.
I'm using 72 watts per sqft and CO2.
If I had less than 65 watts per sqft and no CO2, I wouldn't go over 1000 max.
Many other strains can take the "N" .. but TW likes it real "soft".
It's better to give them a touch of PGP grow if they get too yellow midway thru flowering than to push the nitrogen in veg.
You're a lifesaver G--M! lol...thanks for that link...I bookmarked it. I love T5's...I think they have awesome penetration and the spectrum must be perfect for veg man...
Thanks so much for the TW info...yea I burned her for sure...I don't have a meter...and that was my fear...I think the Liquid Karma is kinda hot too...I need to get a meter...I have an EC meter in mind...the TW also seems to like humidity...the times I have dipped under 50% have really hit that plant hard...the other plants are loving the nute dosage...I may have to top and clone the Hashplant to slow her down while these stunted runt clones catch up...crap...I got off to a bad start all the way around
It'll be 2 weeks I am guessing before the other plants revive from the abuse they endured lol...I have not started out this bad in a while...my inability to handle the rapid rooter doomed me...I think I had it too wet and I know I tore roots on at least one baby...I sure hope someone knew like me is learning from my mistakes lol....good knews is that the plants are growing...they are growing new shoots and rooting...they just look like crappola
Thx again for the link and the advice...I will follow up with you on this once I get a darn meter...I really appreciate your help...thx again bro
wow those T5s are very expensive I had no idea that flouros could cost so much. clearly those t5s mean business though. its a lucrative market :( if you want a less expensive option you could always consider a digital 250 or 400.
Lol...I am trippin' cause I bought that 2 footer I have cause it was suggested at a shop I went to....never researched why it was so awesome. I paid $100 for it. After reading the comparison at that site G--M posted....it is way more efficient to veg with T5's...that 6 bulb draws 285W of power as opposed to 485W for a 400W MH. Then the savings on cooling...which is the impetus for me...and it puts out more lumens...
03-18-2006, 12:23 PM
DAMN VT... :eek: thats a nice plant... im gonna get some pics of mine up today... i went ahead and put a new sprout in the box... and i think its actually turning out well... looks like its getting a little bigger everyday.. Hope everyone here had a nice St. Paddies day.. im not a big drinker so I just had 3 beers.. but it was my fav beer.. LABATT BLUE. anyway... just wanted to stop in and say GOOD JOB VT.. oh yeah... btw.... my light is still hangin... i think that really helped the plants... give me an hour or 2 and ill be back with an UPDATE!
PS. I LOVE THE BONDAGE SHOT.. lol....:D
Good to hear from ya...now you get a PH meter...I'll get a PPM meter...then we won't be chumps :)...I am glad you got your plants goin bro....but ya know I had to ride ya a lil bit...we been friends for some time now bro...I think your luck is finally changing :) Glad ya had a good Patties Day brotha...my plants are doin ok...I mean they are all gonna live...I just made some mistakes...as always :D....but I'd say in about 2 weeks my plants will be thriving...I'll wait til then to post pics...heck they don't look any better or different from last week...
03-18-2006, 03:46 PM
man I am stressing out here. my tap PH is 7.5. I keep getting it down, but it keeps shooting back up. I woke up today and it was 8.1 WTF!!!!! I am gonna switch the water out thats in there, and do a better job of mixing. something is wrong. 3 of them have very nice root development which is definitely in the water and it is not proportionate with their leafs so I think there is some PH burn going on. the good news is the roots themselves look very healthy and dont show signs of burn yet.
gonna get to work on it and I'll let you know if I manage to get it fixed. also gonna add 3 6" airstones to supplement the weak flexibile one.
03-18-2006, 07:45 PM
ended up adding 2 airstones. bought 3 but the cheap piece of shit broke in half when i was removing it from its package. they had some really great "uncloggable" stones but they were 15 bucks a pop. I am not really happy with the output of the pump at this point. VT, I also stopped muffling it the way you do because when i removed the muffling pillow/blankets it was very hot and smelled badly like something had been burnt. also i noticed air output was increased drastically when i unmuffled it. for now sound doesnt seem a problem so I will see how it goes.
I found those glacier machines you were talking about, man they are such a lfie saver. diluted my water (which i found out is indeed hard water) with abou 1/3 of the glacier RO water. PH seems stable at 5.9.
Dang bro...sounds like your tap water is too hard man. As I posted on my other thread...I think it's a good idea to do a "test bubbler"...by using one gallon with nutes at full strength and bubbling it over night to determine this....you're gonna have get some better water or some hard water nutes (i.e. GH Micro for hard water...I'm dumbfounded...I feel awful as I sensed you following my lead on the PBP...but 7.5 is certainly close to neutral and you're havin' issues...keep us posted bro....if you keep havin issues let us know...I'll try and do some research for you....
03-18-2006, 07:54 PM
when i woke up today it was 8.1
like I said I got some of that glacier RO water and it seems stable at the moment. I just totally remixed and switched rez with the new RO water.
also dont feel bad about pbp, i actually had no idea you wer doing PBP when I got it. I wanted to try the organic thing and see what all the hype was about.
Yea you may get away with mixing the tap with RO...good news on the 5.9!!...let's cross our fingers man...I am using RO from the glacier machine and my liquid test kits always is at piss yellow...I just started a tester last night for my tap with that TW bucket...gonna check it later tonight and see what I get....initially is was near the 7.5 shade of green....so I think my PH meter was fried when I was doin all this testing on OG right before it went down on my thread...keep us posted...
03-18-2006, 09:01 PM
its already back up to 6.6 man. i dont think its gonna work. i am gonna need to use 100% RO water. I cant find my damn water pump I have done all of this by hand, water pump is not where I left it, I am losing it man this is driving me crazy. ARGH. rough day.
03-18-2006, 09:05 PM
YESSSS I found it. I will wait to see how PH etc are looking by tomorrow morning, and then I will swap out for entirely new rez of 100% RO
03-19-2006, 02:29 PM
well sure enough, the PH is back up to 8+ again overnight. I am pissed. gonna be a long day, I am going to swap out res again. last time to be honest I only used 5 gallons of the RO which took me 5 trips because I only had an old milk jug. I also got lazy and becaus I couldnt find my water pump and only had the milk jug to use I only emptied about half the res. clearly, the problems I will and am suffering as a result are merely a product of my own laziness. well now I am going to do what it takes and get all necessary RO. this means I will have to buy cal-mag which i cant afford right now. I hope that using all RO water works. I dont doubt it will but I am extremely frusterated because 2 of them are showing signs of noteworthy stress as a result of this damn PH issue.
remember when I used to say RO was the most overrated thing and that I'd never use it? that was before I encountered hard water. this is a textbook case of eating your words.
03-20-2006, 02:52 AM
fixed with RO water today. ph up to 6.4 wtf. I am gonna stop messing with it though unless it gets up to 7 or greater, wouldnt you say thats fair? my RH is 50%. my res temps are up to 68, i havent seen them this high yet i dnt think
Nothing wrong with 6.4 man...if you have RO water now...stop phucking with the PH man..you got RO water...now leave it alone...I have not adjusted my PH AT ALL...my plants are stunted cause of my dumb tail...not PBP...check out the HP shots...non-PH adjusted PBP at work...the hole you see in the leaf is from the incessant misting...I bleached the other plants and they have spot burns from when I forgot to add dishwashing liquid...
People always talk that KISS shit...ok...KISS (keep it simple) with 79F rez temps???? I don't phukkin think so...keep it simple with 30% RH in veg....no phukkin way...yea all the people that make light of my past failures...no one can suceed in hot phukkin water...skill my phukkin ass...people that say that shit about RO...never had hard water ;) So for all those beyothces with that KISS (keep it simple "shit")...eat a fat D**k
03-20-2006, 01:59 PM
damn VT.. you are SOO lucky to have good genetics around where you are.. all we have around where I am is bagseed from dank. :( That Hashplant is lookin nice.. cant wait to see her in full bloom!:)
03-20-2006, 02:30 PM
well its at 6.6, didnt skyrocket overnight. so im going to let it chill like you suggested, VT. going to add a Tee today on the 4th prong and hopefully it will produce much needed results.
VT, for reference, that HP looks to be the same size as my SDs when I flipped em last round. However when I was running AK, I let it get about twice the size (3 wk veg from clone) but thats about as big as I plan on letting the Teebers get, though I may let them go slightly longer to get more cuts.
woodstock, not sure if you saw it but they have contests here at TY where you can win genetics. you can also try ordering from seedbay.com or drchronic.com, both of which carry a wide range from more affordable genetics to 150 a pack and up.
the main problem with bagseed is that you need to be careful because due to the nature of bagseed it is quite often hermie.
03-20-2006, 02:37 PM
yeah... im just not so sure about getting seeds offline.. with everything thats happend lately.. not saying i dont trust TY.. just kinda noid is all.
And arent those contests down now because of recent events?
03-20-2006, 02:43 PM
no, contests still going on, check them out.
check your PMs
Hey woodyThey don't do seeds outside of Canada any longer....so if you're in another country they won't ship any seeds to you...they have seeds for Canadian medical patients only...far as I know....
Yea celtic I will replace that HP soon as the MDWC roots...gonna clone her...I really like this strain...seems easy to grow...time will tell on the Afghooey...
I will veg for about 30 more days or so for a 45 day veg...
Thx for the visit guys
03-20-2006, 09:45 PM
just a note on the seed thing.....
So March contests will go forth as they are already in FULL SWING but until I can get clearance from my lawyer and the courts TY will no longer have SEED CONTESTS
Sorry to have to do this but in order for me to be productive I need to be a FREE MAN
Take Care and Peace
Really great Post VT, thanks for sharing your garden and info with us.
Nice avatar man...was waiting for ya to visit so I could opine ;) Thx for that clarification Quixotic...and thx for the kind words as well :) Cya soon my TY brotha
Et Al Two Afghooey's just hit the rez!!!!! I gotta find some dang batteries...I may wait a day or two for the 3rd Afghhoey in the system (I have one HP and 3 Afghooeys in the 4 bucket recirc system)...I need some batteries...dangit
It's almost showtime :cool:
Ok I am still updating my thread...here at TY :) And I will finsih this show here...I won't be leaving voluntarily...I wanna say hi to my buddy r_D lol...good running into ya at ICMAG man...that was cool :)....I never really had read that OG roll call thread when the stuff was goin on....but hey it worked though! Now if we could just find joecrowe I hope you join here and help me with this Afghooey lol...I have NO METERS...so I will need your help man...
Ok I predict that the 3rd Afghooey I am waiting on to hit the rez will do so in the next two days...at this point we commence a 30 day veg. I want to veg a long time to create bushes...also...to make up for my very bad start. That MDWC plant is rooting...so it's just a matter of time before she is ready to go in the system...so her yield will be hurt...but I will LST the other girls and fill in the circular canopy with the others by training...LST...I saw some wonderful LST's at OG...I will try and practice creating one...I may even SCROG...I have had success with SCROG
For anyone new reading this....I made the mistake of mishandling that rapid rooter...also I had low RH and was misting the plants too much. In the past this wasn't so bad...after lowering the light back down things would be fine at 12"-18" away...but now...now I have the lights about 6" away....the Hashplant is bigger than the others so she is more like 4" away from the 400W HPS...now that these plants are rooted...I am gonna keep that buld literally a few inches from the plants...
My plan is to veg a long time and rotate the plants weekly....get em really bushy....make some hashplant clones for the next run and go to bloom....some people like growing more plants and blooming fast...I want a low plant count and maximize the potential of the plant...a fat oot mass = fat buds...so I will need to veg longer...I want to fill those buckets with roots...
I'll post some pics soon...
03-22-2006, 08:21 AM
Wow VT, impressive thread luv :). Can't wait to see the outcome. Keep on keepin' on hon.
03-26-2006, 08:40 PM
LOL, WHERE are the pics?? Everyone is talking about how good they look...and I can't find 'THEY' anywhere!?? How do I see the pics?
LOL, WHERE are the pics?? Everyone is talking about how good they look...and I can't find 'THEY' anywhere!?? How do I see the pics?
You can find any pics that were posted in this thread Here (http://www.icmag.com/ic/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=9856)
I've also posted some updated pics in that gallery...at ICMAG...thx for the interest Payne..lol...I like that moniker...that's cool...
Thx Lady Tokin I really appreciate that...thx for the well wishes hun...that's really sweet...good luck to you in all that you do...and I wish you happiness and good health sweetie :)
04-12-2006, 12:18 AM
Just MHO, but RO water is the single best investment ever made in a hydro gro.
Wow VT, impressive thread luv :). Can't wait to see the outcome. Keep on keepin' on hon.
Hope ya don't think I forgot you...and my promise to finsih this thread :) Hope you're well, Lady Tokin
Chopped Trainwreck...skinny buds...I made a lot of mistakes (new to vertical0...excited 'bout my next run...3 Afgooey's finishing...my 1st harvest...finally...couldn't have done it without the support from a few members here, namely you, sugar :) If you ever visit ICMAG say hi sometime...hope all goes well for Marco....trial and all...*sigh*...good luck man
Et Al Hope all is well in Canada :D
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