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04-25-2006, 11:33 PM
k, I am still having probs with leaves curling under and some of my ziggies on leaves are curling under too...they are now almost 2 weeks in flower.
I don't think I am starving them...ph is 5.5-6, hydro bubbler bucketts, GH, superthrive, blast off, and floralicious is their diet now...oh and epson salt. They are nice and green looking and there are no discolorings of any kind.
Can anyone tell me what I need to do please?
04-25-2006, 11:58 PM
sounds like sodium overload. flush out that rez and dont use epsom
04-26-2006, 12:00 AM
do you have good ventilation ,what is that salt stuff maybe a salt built up!
tell us more detail my friend?:o
04-26-2006, 03:11 AM
What is your nutrient strength in PPM or EC?
How much of each product listed are you using per gallon?
Does you pH drop or rise after 24 hours of a nute change?
With the above info I can help..
04-26-2006, 03:15 AM
when your mixing your feeds..add ph at the very last bit..its the last thing to go in..and then let sit for 24 hours..is it tap water your using
04-26-2006, 03:59 PM
nogoodnamesleft...I just came out of a 2 day flush...(bubble bucket) tap water.
pierre drouin...ventilation is good...very good temps at 75ish and humidity is between 47-60 during lamp time.
Green Medicine...I was hoping NO ONE would bring this up cuz I so don't have a clue and my eyes get this glaze over them whenever I read anything thing about this because I DON'T GET IT.!!!!! :)
Anyway, I take it but it so means nothing to me...
here is the reading before I adjust ph...after a 24 period...6.5 (GH is adjusted at that)and ppm is 2410...
I dunno about ec...sorry.
After I add and adjust ph I read ph 5.5-6 and ppm 1690...
how much of each product am I using...whatever it sez on the back of the bottle
I have 3 buckets I am using for grow and after roots are at the bottom of bucket...there ususally is about 5 quarts of water in them...the other one has about 2 gallons. The ones with the 5 quarts usually get only the dose for the gallon instead of breaking down the dose for the 1 extra quart.
Nooly...ph is the last thing I adjust!! :) Thanks...
Well one thing that may be a problem is your tap water. I'm just guessing but if you have a water softener you may have a salt build up. Just trying to help.
04-26-2006, 06:39 PM
that epsom salt is whats blowin your sodium outta wack....it it is a sodium overdose...GH, athough not the best nute, is complete and should have all the Mg you need.
04-26-2006, 09:17 PM
Check you tap water's PPM. I bet Roy and nogood found your problem.
You should add epsom or Cal-Mag ONLY if you are having a problem or running RO water..
When I run GH 3 part I never go over 1200PPM unless I'm running over 65
watts per square foot and CO2. When I mix GH 3 part at HALF strength..it comes out at +/- 900PPM.
So, check your tap water PPM...if it's over 300-450 PPM, you may need to find / buy better water or get a RO unit off of Ebay. New they are only about $70 usd
Good Luck and let us know what you find out :)
04-26-2006, 10:43 PM
Roy...tap water = no softener-thanks for your input, GREATLY appreciate!!
nogood...I just came out of a flush on 4/13...they got nothing. Does sodium build up in 2 weeks?
"GH, athough not the best nute, is complete and should have all the Mg you need. " (from nogoods earlier post) I have read a few times the oposite where GH is good, but it needs to have (mg) epson salts added to balance things out...which is what I did because I was having that problem...leaves curling under...lol :) I am so confused.
Green Medicine... :) tap water is 138 ppm this is after sitting for 24 hours. I never use it straight out of the tap.
""You should add epsom or Cal-Mag ONLY if you are having a problem or running RO water.."" ...I was which is why I did the other link http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=12281 only now it is still happening and some of the zigzags are turning under and some up!!! I dunno...not on the same plant though
""When I run GH 3 part I never go over 1200PPM unless I'm running over 65
watts per square foot and CO2. When I mix GH 3 part at HALF strength..it comes out at +/- 900PPM. ""...I did not know I should be running things at HALF strength. Is that a norm? Only use ferts/nutes at HALF STRENGTH? Oh my, that is a very low ppm reading you get...actually that is really one of my lower ones too ;( ... So, I should only have a ppm reading of no higher than 900 or so when in flower?
I just thought of something...the one that is giving me the hardest time is the sativa...the one that is growing wicked tall!! while the other two bush out...would that mean anything?
Oh my...lol thanks for all your help!
04-27-2006, 05:34 AM
A lot of people run GH3 at higher strength. But your plants are likely damaged from salts and ferts right now and they need some TLC to recover.
Of course your plants may eat up more nutes than the ones I regularly grow. :p I don't like to "push" nutes very hard unless the plant asks for it.
But the one "bad" thing about mixing GH3 nutes by the bottle's directions is that they make a very strong mixture!
"Curling under" is usually a over-fertilization issue or nute lockout. Personally I would use the GH at no more than 1200 ppm and see if the leaves improve.
If you are adding the GH Micro....drop the epsom. Only use it in hydro as a remedy, not as an additive.
I would also take a look at the roots. Are they nice and healthy? Floralicious can stain them a bit but they shouldn't be any odd brown colors or rotten (slimy) roots. Aeration is really important in flowering as the plants are really sucking up liquid from the buckets. Superthrive may not be the best for root health. Have you tried enzymes before? They do a much better job of protecting roots from heat, lack of O2 and diseases
Without pictures it's a bit of a guess on my part, however try the reduced dosage of GH and watch the pH closely. If all looks good in a week you can slowly increase the ppm's to a higher level if you see P or K deficiencies. Go Slowly :)
04-27-2006, 04:35 PM
""Of course your plants may eat up more nutes than the ones I regularly grow. I don't like to "push" nutes very hard unless the plant asks for it.""
how will you know that they need more?? :confused:
"Curling under" is usually a over-fertilization issue or nute lockout. Personally I would use the GH at no more than 1200 ppm and see if the leaves improve.""
I will most certainly give this a try!!!
""I would also take a look at the roots. Are they nice and healthy?""
Roots look great!! Staining from the nutes, but that is it. I have 2 airlines in each bucket!! :D
""Have you tried enzymes before?"" HUH??? lol :confused:
""Without pictures it's a bit of a guess on my part"...I am looking into getting some pix up for you.
Just to let you all know, you rock!! Thanks for all your help! :D :D
04-27-2006, 05:15 PM
Here are some pix for you...
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