need information about iso oil extraction

[jlmurrat]

Hi everybody, please take some time to read this, I finally found a website out of France able to send me 99% pure isotropic alcohol, I have ordered 12 bottles, as it is very cheap and I plan to use it also to clean tools, like bongs (alcohol + salt) or pollen press.

But I have many bags of old big leaves, can I use them and get some correct oil from them ?

I have also some plants I missed and bad quality weed, and a small jar of "moisie"/rotten weed, I want to treat all that and make oil with it, so I need you to explain me into an easily understandable english, or in French if it is easy for you the method to extract oil from scrap/bad weed...pictures would be greatly apreciated, if possible.

I have another last question, sorry, is there a way when it dries to transform the oil into a kind of greasy hash ? How to keep my oil more than the time that it dries ?

Thank you very much for your answers, please explain me all anout iso oil, that's what I'd like to know.

Best Regards and Wishes to the TY family.

[PharmaPharmer]

Are you sure you don't mean Isopropyl Alcohol? Fan leaves make a nasty tar like oil from my experience. It tastes like concentrated schwagg even using the quick wash method.

[pflover]

Yeah even with a quick wash using alcohol you will get a green oil that tastes like plant matter but it will still get have some medical effect. personally i prefer to make butter out of that leaf material. BHO is the only kind of oil making method that makes a decent product from plain low quality leaf matter.

If you still want to use the isopropyl alcohol then grind up all the plant matter you want to use and place it in a glass jar with a lid. place an old t-shirt or sheet in a big pan or bowl. pour the alcohol into the jar with the plant matter. make sure the plant matter is completely covered. shake vigorously for 20 seconds. pour plant matter and alcohol onto t-shirt or sheet. rince jar with a little more alcohol and pour this ontop of the plant matter. then filter the alcohol out of the plant matter. squeeze as much out as you can. when you have as much alcohol out as you can get throw away the plant matter or compost it. now let all the alcohol evaporate in a big bowl or glass pan. when the alcohol is gone you will be left with a thick green goo. use a razor blade to scrap it all up and put it in a small jar or bottle.

[jlmurrat]

Thank you pflover for explaining another time, yes that is what I thought to do...and yes I mean Isopropyl alcohol 99% pure.

[Duck]

Let it be known that Treating Yourself Does Not Support Oil Extraction any longer, due to the dangers to ones health in the preparation. This includes BHO as well. Thank you.

[pflover]

Since when and why wasn't this discussed with the hash and oil mod?

[buddyh]

Yeah, I didn't see any post about that.
Do we no longer support wiring your grow space, rewiring a ballast, ozone generators, hydro (because of the chance of Black Mold growing)?
All of these things are safe if people have a complete understanding of them and use all necessary precautions.
I mean it's more dangerous not to talk about these things as people will try them anyhow, except they'll do it more blindly and without the chance to experience the knowledge of people who, well, have experience in these things. I bring all of my electrical questions here before I do anything that I'm unsure of. And it's no one's fault but mine if I get zapped while replacing a socket with the juice turned on (Which I've been know to do from time to time) and I never blame anyone at TY for my own stupidity.
It's my experience that for the most part when discussing anyhting that has even the remotest chance of any type of danger, people here are real responsible to point out such dangers and things that you can do to avoid them.
Maybe we should no longer support growing in general, as jail is always considered a 'danger' to one's health.

Anyway, the times that I've made oil, especially out of lower grade material, which we mostly have here, I'll let it soak 1 sometimes 2 hours before straining it. I don't care about the taste, I want to squeeze everything out of it that I can and great the greatest medicinal effect.

But to be safe, take your strained mixture up past the artic (sp?) circle and let it evaporate naturally, as this will greatly reduce to all ready remote chance of have it catching fire.

:)

(Yeah, I'm a smart ass to the end)

[Crazy_Eagle]

What i've done in the past jlmurrat is use 2 litter plastic pop bottles and cut off the bottom of it,then i take off the cap and put an unbleached coffee filter over it with an elastic band to secure it.Next i grind up all my dry plant matter and stuff it in the end of the pop bottle.I put a couple holes in the pop bottle one on each side,so i can hang it up and then pour the iso in and let it drip till it's all out.The i use an electric frying pan and dump in the liquid into a pyrex bowl with water around it and slowly burn off the iso and it comes out and really works nice for me:) Just my 2 cents!

[pflover]

CE's method is a very good one for the kind of plant matter you are looking at, jlmurrat. Make sure to do the double boiling of the solvent with good ventilation. build up of vapors can be dangerous for both fire and your health.

[PharmaPharmer]

Let it be known that Treating Yourself Does Not Support Oil Extraction any longer, due to the dangers to ones health in the preparation. This includes BHO as well. Thank you.

Do you mean the possibility of a fire or direct health effects from it's consumption. So does this lack of support for extraction mean posts regarding extraction will be censored?

[PharmaPharmer]

CE's method is a very good one for the kind of plant matter you are looking at, jlmurrat. Make sure to do the double boiling of the solvent with good ventilation. build up of vapors can be dangerous for both fire and your health.

If your evaporation pan has sufficient surface area heat isn't needed to evaporate the ISO at all. Just a good strong fan blowing across the top so that the surface is agitated will evaporate 2-4 quarts of 99% ISO overnight even in the dead of winter. By not using heat you greatly reduce the speed at which vapors accumulate and can vent them properly. Not using a heat source also reduces the likleyhood of a boil-over (it can happen in a double boiler) causing ignition when the ISO hit's the heating element.

[pflover]

Thank you, Pharma, very well said. all very good advice. :)

[jlmurrat]

In fact I think too that it is more dangerous not to talk about the extraction methods, than to talk about them.

Thank you for the advices, my friends, about the fire-catching danger, and the consumption-tied health possible problems.

[E.J]

I sure liked them iso2 machines an enclosed systym useing pure isoprophl alcohol to extraxt the thc-from my experience colombian type leaves produced more oil and a heavier stone useily 2-3grams per ounce used,10clean onces got us 30grams of strong oil.the shade leaves off the hybrids seems to be light but somtimes worth it.peace sincerly E.J:)

[pflover]

always wished i could get my hands on an isolator or iso2. was curious how they worked. (explainations just won't cut it, i need to see the mechanics in action).

[ScurvyPirateGuy]

Gosh. We had an Isomizer back in college. If I remeber correctly it used a light bulb as a heating element. Crushed up cannabis was mixed with alcohol?? and heated until only the oil was left. And it was good.

I am sure I am leaving out a few steps, as it was long ago and I was really high, but the thing worked great. But like hash, it takes a lot of product.

Made a god awful smell. Ventilate extremely well.

[pflover]

from what i have read they were also capable of doing the reflux and isomerization stuff discussed in cannabis alchemy.

[groo]

I recently received a donation of some trim, which turned out to be primarily an exercise in coughing and hacking, though it had enough benefit to be worth doing something with.

I've never had any luck with oil for the migraines, but I'm taking my first shot at an extraction.

Rather than use any of the risky heater techniques anyone has mentioned, I opted for a small ceramic dish that fits a coffee maker. I've kept an eye on it as it evaporates (outside! Don't need flammable fumes indoors!), and it's never actually simmered, but it's certainly sped up the evaporation.

Alas, as my first attempt, it has "chunkies". ;)

[groo]

Test results are emphatically positive. Total relaxation of tense muscles, my head isn't bugging me, but some of the other migraine symptoms are still present. Roughly equivalent to a heavy dose of T3s, except it's not tearing my stomach apart. :)

Still, it's not as effective as bubble or whole bud. I still have no doubts something other than THC is lost in ISO extraction.

[pflover]

does eating it work for you groo?

[pflover]

that's kind of what i was thinking. Iso oil in cookies does not usually taste that good but it can be quite effective meds.

[FUNK4:20]

mines turing almost black---i used 91%----is that a good thing?

[pflover]

it is normal with alcohol based extractions especially with contact times with plant matter longer than 2 min. mostly it is water soluable tars, chloriphyl and other such things providing the collor. they also provide a stronger taste and greater hydrocarbon strain on the lungs if smoked. not prefered but useable. i have had some VERY good quality black/dark green oil in the past for what that's worth. also the green tends to turn darker/browner over time.

[jb247]

I ran two iso batches this week, my first attempts at this particular method. I was, of course very cautious and did both runs outside on the back patio. I used 99% isoprophyl alcohol, purchased locally at 1.43 u.s. per pint. The first batch was from my Lemon Cake, just using trim from last years grow. I let the alcohol evaporate in the sun, then when it was almost gone I put it on a heating pad to finish. I washed the scrap for a full minute, a quart jar full. I shook the daylights out of the jar for the complete minute. Ran the liquid from the jar thru a paper coffee filter, inside a gold permanent coffee filter. The result was a gram and a half of dark hash like material. The second batch was from my own Monsta weed, and although I used the same method this batch came out blood red. Is there anything wrong with that second batch? I haven't smoked any of this stuff yet. By the way, the leaves were completely dry and frozen for a few hours before the run.

I'll try it now and be back to you in a few minutes... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

hmmm...the black bubbled up real nice, but had a somewhat nasty taste. The buzz hit me immediately. Good pain killing properties.

The red...bubbled just as well and tasted somewhat better. The high completely overwhelming, but that is to be expected as it at least twice as good cannabis as the other. Not saying the LC is not good, it just has a better pain controlling factor, but the Monsta is just one of those strains that will take even an experienced smoker by surprize.

Can't wait to get some bubble bags, I've got a ton of leaf that need to have something happen to them. I have tried the butane oil making and found it to be undesirable for meself, but my buddies sure enjoyed the product.

[mental marijuana]

Since you already have the gold coffee filter, ever tried the blender method? Just tried it for the first time the other day and was quite amazed. Makes some potent meds.

[pflover]

jb, you said "I let the alcohol evaporate in the sun."

sun light is the #1 degrader of THC. i would NOT use this process to evaporate it in the future.

[pflover]

the blood red hash should be the supperior hash. there is obsolutely nothing wrong with it based on that alone.

you prefer iso to butane? interesting, can you explain why?

bubble in my personal opinion is the best option and by far the most superior when done right.

[pflover]

MM is that a reference to a bubble hash aproximation? i can't tell for sure.

[jb247]

Hey, pflover thanks, I forgot that THC doesn't like the sun...I'll correct that on my next run.

MM, I have to say that I've never heard about the method you are talking about...what does that entail?

Thanks for the feedback tho.

Peace...j.b.

[mental marijuana]

Just scroll down to the blender section.

http://cannabisculture.com/articles/2312.html


I took my leaves and small whispy nugs and used a coffee grinder until things were ground very fine. Then i put it in the freezer for a couple of hours.

I had about a half cups worth of ground goodness that I added to the blender. I would not use more than this amount but less would be fine.

I used a credit card to scrape the coffee filter. If you do a search engine search on blender hash you can get all the info you need. I was very pleased with the results.

[pflover]

right on. econo versions of bubble hash are always nice to know for those that can't afford the more expensive options. :)