Salvia Divinorum

[greendragon]

where would you put a theory about this in combination with cannabis?

[pflover]

Depends on content. possibly in the Spirituality forum.

[GreenFlame]

I find small amounts parallel cannabis,,I am in the minority though.

[greendragon]

pflover? its a plant

[Unicorn]

pflover? its a plant

I'm pretty sure PF knows it is a plant, but I believe if you want to discuss the theory about your journey while on Salvia, then it would be a spritual adventure.

Not really sure what answer your looking for? :confused:

[Raoul Duke]

I've personally tried it mixed with pot. Can't say that I like it. The smoke from the salvia most be taken in one or two blasts at most and mixing it with anything gets in the way of the desired effect (which is only 5 - 10 minutes anyway). Tincture though. That makes LSD feel like candy. Much stronger and longer effects. Saying that, I would never recomend it to anyone as most people that have gotten to the place that it brings you are not too happy with what they saw. Me on the other hand, felt like almost coming home. Wierd. If you are going to try it, go with one of the extracts, 15X or more as the plain leaf can be frustrating in trying to get the effects. Peace.

[greendragon]

having dabbled with breeding cannabis fer 25 years and researching strains; i have a theory that - in joint with a botanist buddy - that HAZE strains of cannabis may have has salvia grafted into the lineage somewhere in time.

[PharmaPharmer]

having dabbled with breeding cannabis fer 25 years and researching strains; i have a theory that - in joint with a botanist buddy - that HAZE strains of cannabis may have has salvia grafted into the lineage somewhere in time.

Are you saying there are Salvia genes are in the genetic make up of Haze strains? If so how?

[greendragon]

thats the billion dollar question? we are trying to duplicate this, just as akin to the fruit strains of cannabis. i have a friend who is an orchardist and a mmj smoker. we started playing around with grafting. like where the tangerine came about ect....

[PharmaPharmer]

Well grafting, if i understand your usage of the term, dosn't cause a sharing of genetic information which would be passed in the progeny of a grafted branch. In fact it would take something akin to a "gene gun" to insert salvia genetics into a pot plant as they are pretty different from each other and as such are unlikley to cross-pollinate either.

[greendragon]

im not the botanist; but in apples you can graft a shoot or cutting onto a branch and that will inherit the genes of the parent. therefore, if you did the same to a canabis male and female cannabis plant and when it seeded by the 2 chosen then the other plant would have some genetic drift in the seed. by repeating this over and over - inbreeding its called, you can capture a characteristic of an outside influence.

[Green Medicine]

A graft doesn't inherit any genes from the stock and vice versa....never.
And very few plants will take a graft from a dissimilar plant.

[PharmaPharmer]

I agree with GM. I am pretty familiar with "rootstocking" the practice of grafting a high yielding cultivar to a cultivar with a robust and disease resistant root system. It's standard practice in the walnut orchards in my parts. Genetics don't get inherited in grafting, there is no sharing or blending of genes.

Some plants that are very close to each other genetically can cross pollinate but that's a whole different story. I think the chances of Salvia genes being present in any pot strain are about zero unless it's part of some uber-strange experiment in a very well equiped, purpose built labratory.

With inbreeding it's totally unecessary to graft anything. You can just put the desired male in the same room as the female you want to seed and the rest will take care of itself assuming you are flowering the plants and have the enviornment right.

[greendragon]

ok so the graft idea is out. what other ways do you think it may have been done? and i mean with a full lab.

[PharmaPharmer]

Well "gene guns" and genetically modifying viri to introduce new genes are both methods of introducing non-indiginous genetis into a cell. Do a search on Wiki for gene gun and you will be in for an interesting read for certian.

I seriously doubt it has been done. It would be like a meth cook synthesizing ephedrine to make meth out of it. Besides it would take years of research (unless you are ADM, Monsanto or another multi-billion dollar lab) to identify the gene responsible for the production of Salvinorin A in Salvia then it would take more time to discover where to put it in the pot geneome. Not impossible but definatly inpractable.

Not likley to have happened or to happen. Personalyl I'd be pretty mad if I grew some pot that also had the effects of salvia. Not a drug i care to ever experience again. Thanks for bringing it up though. I had forgot how much I didn't like the stuff.

[Green Medicine]

They only way is to stick dried salvia to dried cannabis with Krazyglue..

No lab can do what you are pondering... Single cell gene splicing can be done at most Large Universities. But all you would have is a cell in a test tube, nothing usable. And the unusable cell would cost $250,000+.

Haze genetics are old...older than gene splicing. So that kinda kills the idea dead.

But if you come up with a hundred extra million$ and wait a decade or two you could pay someone to try....

As "Scotty" on StarTrek was fond of saying: "Ye cannot change the laws of physics, Captain".

[Konaboy]

They only way is to stick dried salvia to dried cannabis with Krazyglue..

No lab can do what you are pondering... Single cell gene splicing can be done at most Large Universities. But all you would have is a cell in a test tube, nothing usable. And the unusable cell would cost $250,000+.

Haze genetics are old...older than gene splicing. So that kinda kills the idea dead.

But if you come up with a hundred extra million$ and wait a decade or two you could pay someone to try....

As "Scotty" on StarTrek was fond of saying: "Ye cannot change the laws of physics, Captain".

And be careful NOT to sniff the crazy glue !!!!! I have grown Salvia successfully and they are not even close in plant stucture. Also, if it was viable, then it would be very illegal.

If you have the couple hundrend extra million, toss me 1 and and I'll try to merge the two for you....hehehe

[greendragon]

ok kick 1 theory out the window. still gotta figure out the haze origins. any ideas on that?

[pflover]

I've personally tried it mixed with pot. Can't say that I like it. The smoke from the salvia most be taken in one or two blasts at most and mixing it with anything gets in the way of the desired effect (which is only 5 - 10 minutes anyway). Tincture though. That makes LSD feel like candy. Much stronger and longer effects. Saying that, I would never recomend it to anyone as most people that have gotten to the place that it brings you are not too happy with what they saw. Me on the other hand, felt like almost coming home. Wierd. If you are going to try it, go with one of the extracts, 15X or more as the plain leaf can be frustrating in trying to get the effects. Peace.

This can be VERY VERY VERY bad advice for the first timer!!!!

I know that for many, if not most, people it is sound advice but I have a friend... SSOG aka T'zNutz.... who smoke on plain leaf I grew and was transported into full trance/dissociative state and it was his first and only use of salvia. You never know how someone will respond, personal sensitivity to salvia is just that very personal, so I would start easy and build up.

[pflover]

having dabbled with breeding cannabis fer 25 years and researching strains; i have a theory that - in joint with a botanist buddy - that HAZE strains of cannabis may have has salvia grafted into the lineage somewhere in time.

<giggle> This brought a smile to my face. :D

I highly doubt that is even theoretically possible much less practically possible. They simply do not share enough genetic similarity to cross pollinate. Interesting theory tho.

[pflover]

ok kick 1 theory out the window. still gotta figure out the haze origins. any ideas on that?

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[Raoul Duke]

This can be VERY VERY VERY bad advice for the first timer!!!!

I know that for many, if not most, people it is sound advice but I have a friend... SSOG aka T'zNutz.... who smoke on plain leaf I grew and was transported into full trance/dissociative state and it was his first and only use of salvia. You never know how someone will respond, personal sensitivity to salvia is just that very personal, so I would start easy and build up.
True, I tend to forget that not everyone is looking for the neutron cannon to the brain effect.