War and Police State

[GreenThumb]

Would mainstream media ever publish an article like this?
I would think not!


War and the Police State: Complicity of the American People

by Donna J. Thorne

Global Research, April 21, 2007


"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth…. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not..? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know.. it — now." Patrick Henry, 1775.

In this era of perpetual warfare, escalating domestic tyranny, government-sanctioned torture, and a Nazi-like pursuit of Middle-East domination, one would expect, at the very least, an audible outcry from the People who proclaim resolute devotion to the ideals of liberty and justice for all. Yet for the most part, Mainstream America continues to assume a posture of apathy, bitterness, or eery silence.

When confronted with hard facts and scientific evidence linking key government officials to the attacks of 9/11, ostensibly intelligent, levelheaded people angrily and defiantly reject said information without a moment's deliberation. Sincerely compassionate and peace-loving individuals support the criminal invasion of Iraq and close their eyes to the U.S. slaughter of 600,000 Iraqi civilians, choosing instead to believe in the myth of American supremacy, at the heart of which lies the notion that foreigners alone are capable of such atrocities.

And now, in the aftermath of 9/11 and the subsequent establishment of Homeland Security, previously rigid supporters of civil rights quietly tolerate the piecemeal deconstruction of the U.S. Constitution under the pretext of protection, and to their own peril, disregard increasingly strident warnings and signs of a growing and imminent police state. Clearly, Mainstream America has surrendered to the subjugation of a power-crazed, despotic administration whose control continues to expand exponentially with each passing rumor of imminent peril .

Why,when confronted with a black-and-white record of autocratic offenses, are so many sensible Americans ignoring and even endorsing the current administration as it openly paves a tyrannical road to hell? Are we so deluded by rhetoric and weapons-grade propaganda, that we are no longer able to distinguish truth from fiction, thereby allowing, if not abetting our own enslavement ?

Inarguably, a collective set of circumstances exist to explain the acquiescence of the American People. What follows is the first in a series of explorations by which this writer will attempt to identify possible core factors contributing to the scourge of apathy in American society today.

Fear, the Nemesis of Rationality

One cannot analyze the dynamics of a post 9/11 society without examining one of its principal characteristics: fear, anxiety, dread, apprehension… in a word, Terror. To those who benefit from its proliferation, fear is a currency, a commodity, and a powerful marketing tool. If one is aware of the devices by which leaders have garnered power and support for any given war or agenda historically, one can easily discern the same machinations at work today. A key ingredient to any successful war rally or acquisition of power is the exploitation of fear through the manipulation of perception.

On September 11, 2001, corporate media and the government elite launched an aggressive political and media campaign upon and against the American people. With Madison-Avenue expertise, purveyors of fear heightened our perception of imminent threat by inundating the airwaves with continual, repetitive, easily-learned sound-bytes, words brimming with emotionally-charged meaning, "…Bin Laden, Taliban, Axis of Evil, Saddam Hussein, Terror-Threat, Terrorist…" with just enough intensity to successfully persuade the American people to procure security at any cost.

Comprehensive and firmly-entrenched fear is the means by which the current administration manages to sell the "War of Terror" and, allowed to flourish, has solidified mechanized cooperation from the masses as our leaders appeal to the most basic of all human needs-- security.

The groundwork has been laid. Today, newly identified "threats" are announced with almost predictable regularity. Now firmly embedded in the collective unconscious of America, fear is employed to rationalize unprecedented dictatorial powers in the White House, to justify the erosion of privacy and the stripping of human rights once sacredly guarded by the Constitution. Yet, what should one expect from an administration whose platform is built upon a substratum of fear, except for fear itself?

Fear attempts to silence dissenters. As the Truth Movement gains momentum and amasses credibility, the fear profiteers have begun heralding yet another "threat" to National Security - inquiring minds. This is both good news and bad news. We are no longer ignorable. Fearing exposure, the Czars of Propaganda know that "Truthers" must be branded and discredited if government corruption and corporate fraud is to flourish unabated. This said, prepare for an intensified Smear-and-Fear Campaign. Any group or individual who vocally questions the official story of 9/11 or who exercises the right to demand Government accountability will be labeled "Anti-American and Anti-Patriotic".

A well-documented strategy of propagandists throughout modern history, dissolving credibility through character assassination is a calculated tactic utilized to persuade the uninformed public to turn a deaf ear, to, in effect, remain uninformed. It remains to be seen if this line of attack will succeed, and success is dependent upon each individual proponent of freedom. As with the human longing for security, the natural desire for affiliation and acceptance works in favor of the war-mongering, power-hungry elite, for they know only the bravest of the brave will dare risk ostracism for a noble cause.

Fear begets fear and dulls rationality. Under fear's influence, the autonomic nervous system shifts into fight-or-flight mode. Perhaps this either-or response clarifies the bipartisanship of laboring freedom fighters and the willingly deceived. The former empower themselves with knowledge. The latter, so fearful of annihilating reassuring illusions, continue to defend the crimes of their pseudo-conservative leaders, and in so doing, stave off the anxieties which would surely accompany enlightenment. So desperate to believe in an imaginary benevolent Big Brother, We the People unknowingly and sometimes willingly turn a deaf ear to the truth, choosing instead to believe a lie. We lull ourselves into complacency or forced submission. We allow fear to breed a culture of silent ignorance and unthinking loyalty by which dictatorial regimes are allowed to flourish.

We would do well to remember, a fear-struck population is easily led.

by Donna J. Thorne

[In The Wind]

[I]
When confronted with hard facts and scientific evidence linking key government officials to the attacks of 9/11,

And just what “facts” might those be?

Admittedly the whole war was poorly conceived, never justified, and may very well break America. History will show GWB to be a buffoon and a disastrous president, but complicit in the WTC attack. I have seen no evidence of that.

The ad hominem campaign is carried out mostly by the “truthers” who spew, rant, and scream increasingly bizarre theories to support claims of “they knew”, blinded by their political ideology.

Erosion of our freedoms? Possibly, but that would take more than a 2 term administration

[chicken]

sounds like more left wing fear mongering to me....i too would love to see some of these so called facts.

[GreenFlame]

I can't heal blindness.The facts are there,in plain sight,,,look them up yourselves.

[chicken]

I can't heal blindness.The facts are there,in plain sight,,,look them up yourselves.

that's the same shitty response you hear people give on talk shows....lol

the facts are there, you can look them up...lol

ok so enlightened ones please tell us exactly what " facts " we are looking up.

no one can state what the " facts " are. just that "they" are there...lol

[mental marijuana]

Great post Greenthumb. Thanks for posting that.

There are to many "weird" things to list on why 911 didn't happen the way we were were told it did. Pods on the bottom of the planes, collapse of the three buildings, they knew building 7 was coming down 20 minutes before it came down, new ownership of the wtc, extra insurance against plane crashing into them, no air force, bogus cell phone calls, Bush's reaction, Secret service reaction, drills in NY, extra fireman brought in the night before, the action in the shares of the airlines just prior, Osama Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI because they say there is no link, etc....

That is just a tiny little bit of the questions that need answers. Pearl Harbor was a setup and 911 appears to be the same. With all of the lies this administration has come up with is that hard to believe that 911 might have been a setup? With all of the money that has been made by their friends after 911 is it really that hard to believe it was a setup? Just do a search and start looking into it yourselves. How can anyone say it isn't true when they have done zero research into it?

[GreenFlame]

Thank you Mental,,you guys have eyes and ears and still you cant understand? Let me touch on a few things,I know this will be jumbled but I spit a few odd things out.The buildings were designed to NEVER fall,under ANY circumstances(much less perfectly straightdown).No buildings have ever collapsed from an airplane before or after 911.The running ground level cam corders caught explosions in the building at ground level even.If you watch live News reports they repeat that there are controlled explosions heard occurring every few seconds.The WTC was shutdown(power,cameras,etc) prior to 911 for a week,that never happened before in the history of the bld.ALL airplanes must stay in contact with Air Traffic Controllers or jets will be scrambled.The 2nd plane cruised in circles without contact and hit 2nd building 18 min later.The explosions were different,the second much more theatrical because they knew the audience would be watching.Yet they had same fuel levels.Look at live footage and notice the White Command plane circling too! Look up "Pilots for Truth".There are pools of Thermite running from building windows,thermite puddles stayed molten for weeks afterward.The Building 7 had no damage whatsoever and it fell,(perfectly straight down too),all buildings fell straight down to avoid damge to other bldings.Look up MIT's statement that it was inside job (Phd professors).The aftermath pictures show internal beams cut at 45 degee angles to enhance vertical decend.Look up "Gulf of Tonkin",look up "New Pearl Harbor".Bush gets the news and he sits there staring into space and then resumes reading My Pet Goat? I would jump up and take charge ,scramble jets,declare Marshall Law and deal with the situation.No,he knew the Towers were going down.Go to Google Videos and watch "JFK2".There are several thousand points that show this was done with planning and sequences of inaction to enable the whole occurance.I could go on and on,,,I can only say that people that think it was terrorist are the ones costing us our freedoms.This is all about NWO and scaring us into giving up all of our freedoms to stay safe.This has been in planning for decades.The next thing is that a Nuke will be popped off in a "Worthless city" somewhere in USA.Whats left is complete control and a microchip in your hand ,,it also has a chemical to remotely kill you (via satellite) when you can no longer pay into the system,,when you lose productivity.This is not hysterics this is really going on.I can't believe you can't put 2 and 2 together.This is the Rant Room by the way.

[FUNK4:20]

NWO--scarry stuff happening all the time now--really makes u wounder..
got a call this mornin fro my brother--hes in iraq..i guess he was on watch last night and almost got killed twice in one night:( Hes mentally and physically anguished -- i wish i could go get him:(

[GreenFlame]

Funk,,I hope he comes back OK. 3000 dead in WTC,,3300 Dead Soldiers,,,tell me again why we invaded Irag? It's been proven that Irag had Nothing to do with 911. I'll tell you why,, Haliburton is over there pumping them dry of free oil and selling us $3.oo a gallon gas.I have 4 friends that came back from there,,they all speak of no real war but having to shoot Women and Children.If they didn't do as they were told then they would be killed and bagged as "Killed by friendly fire".Look up "Soldiers against the war" for Videos,(also Google Vids and YouTube),,,What a way to finance NWO.

[greendragon]

and hindsight IS better then foresight! all the, or most of the 911 attackers were from saudi arabia! as was bin laden. who gets attacked? by the usa?

canada, france, china, germany; all bitterly denounced the aggressive invasion of iraq by a hostile nation. the live forward advance of the ground forces reminded me of an old "john wayne" movie. and the selective journal reports were a bloody good laugh. the usa utterly destroyed all the iraqi armed forces! so why continue on to baghdad?

good thing the americans dont need a passport to cross over into canada because there are over 50 nations worldwide planning attacks against the terrorists of north america. 1 thing they need to do is bring some guns with them - we dont have any.

i watched on CNN, the live broadcast of the fall "of the twin towers".

[leroy]

"good thing the americans dont need a passport to cross over into canada"
Actually, I think we do now... I'm not exactly sure what you guy's are saying here.

[greendragon]

canada is a "safe haven" for our southern neighbour is what im saying: anytime, anyplace. but bring your weapons as the pacifist lawmakers here took mine away. oh, ya! and bush is a nazi; leading his country in the wrong direction.

[claude_zachary420]

Wow. I thought i was reading an LF thread for a minute. :p

[greendragon]

into the flames of hell, marched............me, seems i always pick the........oh my god, im in poop again topics.........but it does prove interesting

eeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk hehehe hehehe

[greendragon]

hey claude:marijuana is not a gateway drug! i agree; the gateway drug is in coka cola which you get addicted to or crave at about age 3 or 4? then ya just cant wait for your first cup 'o java! then ya find gold = JOLT hehehe

[GreenFlame]

Another thing is that the Media is for the most part joining together to intentionally either not report or distort the facts(about WTC,War,pending Economic Enslavement).This is a large effort to grab the whole world.The educated people know about it,,the dumb asses heckle or refuse to believe it.In the Patriot Act it states that the Debts will be called,just as in the Great Depression.I just got a notice that my only Credit Card will double the minimum payment and that they shall demand payment in full even if one late payment happens.If you are late on one Credit Card then the interest will go to 30%. Also the other different companies will increase your interest on those cards.On CNN they stated that if you even have an unpaid Parking Ticket then your Credit Cards interest rate will go up to as much as 30%. The Elite know that America cannot be tackled (controlled) by taking our guns,but by collasping the economy.So they bring in 15 Million Illegals(free health care,etc,more Schools,,Outsource jobs,,Massive layoffs,,More War funding in the Trillions,,"Losing" 21 Trillion American Dollars in Taxpayer Money in Iraq,,netc).Not implementing the Wanta Act,,Increasing Pollution,,Increasing Troops,,Extended the age of the Draft to 43,which now reads "Men & Women",,I think Bill HB4572,look it up the numbers may be backward (7245) but read the wording in it for chills. Oh! and Yes! We need a Passport to enter Canada.

[greendragon]

credit card debt? i went broke last october and became an outpatient under doctors care. i went from 50.000 a year to social assistence in 6 months due to health reasons. i had perfect AAA credit and now i have F! 60,000.00 of UNSECURED debt and no assets. cant get blood from a stone. now 6 months later after i explained my circumstances they are still hounding me day and night. BIG DEAL, i worked for a credit bureau and KNOW the law. they can add all the increased interest they want. YOU dont have to pay anything; if you dont have anything. the credit card companies will accept 40 cents on the dollar, i was told. ah, im going to foodbanks here! i think they can hassel you for 7 years and then - see ya bye. mobile is not in my name so they cannot seize anything because it was all UNSECURED debt. i signed no securities. paying 28% on some cards now when i had a PERFERRED RATE of 10%; 6 months ago. i said charge me 41.9% if ya want, i dont care. 42% is usury and illegal. so im on social assistence, for awhile. so what? i have been disabled for 16 years and am classified as NON EMPLOYABLE. so later on when my health improves; i will do a small grow and make a couple of thousand every 2 months and TRAVEL with it. instead of paying off the debt; i guess im 1 of those people; i was told. yup and 60,000.00 richer for it. arizona, alaska, north carolina here i come.

[BUSH HATER!]

Here is a good place to look for the facts. It is a peer reviewed paper that shows how the official story is simply pysically impossible, no matter how you try to spin it:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletely Collapse.pdf

If this is your first exposure to the truth about 9/11/2001, there are a number of really good movies that will bring you up to speed. The facts in these movies can easily be further researched using Google. It's more difficult than having your 'facts' served up to you gift wrapped on Faux News though:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8372366181300641663
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5386487651203625811
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661

There are many, many more videos available on Google Video. Simply type "9/11" into the search line and change the duration to "Long (>20 min)" and you'll find over 300,000 hits.

There are also a number of very good websites available. Here's a few of my favourites:

http://www.911blogger.com/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
http://stj911.com/index.html
http://www.wtc7.net/
http://www.911timeline.net/
http://911dvdproject.com/

Hope this helps. I believe it is important to go through this research material and make your own decision as to what really happened, instead of being told by me or anyone else. After all, what is my opinion really worth? If this is viewed with an open mind, and questioned scientifically, you will soon see the truth for yourself. Good luck on your journey!

d


that's the same shitty response you hear people give on talk shows....lol

the facts are there, you can look them up...lol

ok so enlightened ones please tell us exactly what " facts " we are looking up.

no one can state what the " facts " are. just that "they" are there...lol

[GreenFlame]

All we want is for people to understand that "High Crimes and Treason" are occuring.We want America back just as the others do too.

[In The Wind]

Very nice twistaspliff.

A long read indeed. And finally a critical inspection that doesn’t rest on some of the more unbelievable and quite distracting claims put forth by others. Any discussion of the collapse is only hampered by personal attacks and inclusion of unrelated or peripheral conspiracy theories. I hope that everyone participating in this thread can refrain from such activities as it only serves to damage any credibility that claims of government involvement might have.

I’d enjoy a critical examination of the collapse, but I just don’t think it’s possible. We’ve not even started and the attacks have already begun.

[BUSH HATER!]

This is a very sensitive issue for a lot of people. Many people would rather believe the official story because any alternative is simply too painful to consider. Debating the events of 9/11, and what may or may not have happened will only result in a bunch of pissed off and hurt people who know their version of the truth is right, and refuse to keep an open mind.

In my opinion, there is plenty of evidence available to justify a REAL investigation of what happened. The 9/11 Comission report was a complete whitewash that only served to reinforce the official story. For example, WTC building #7 was not even looked at by the comission. It was a 47 story tall building, never hit by any planes, with only a couple small fires in it. At 5:20 in the afternoon, this building fell into it's own footprint in just over 6 seconds. The BBC even reported on the building having fallen 21 minutes before it happened! You can even see the building over the reporter's left shoulder here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc . The owner of the building, Larry Silverstein, even admitted on camera that the building was "pulled" another term for a controlled demolition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6QV6LK8j1Q . It takes weeks to wire up a building for demolition. How were they able to do it in a few hours, while the building was on fire, and all hell was breaking loose around them? Silverstein collected on a multi-billion dollar insurance settlement on these buildings too. All of this was completely ignored by the 9/11 Comission... WHY?

We can debate these events forever, but the real culprits will continue to enjoy their freedom while we do. Unless there is a new investigation, we run the very real risk that these people will do this to us again. Maybe next time it will be to justify an attack on Iran. Support a new independant investigation of 9/11. Here is one of the petitions asking for this http://www.justicefor911.org/

d



I’d enjoy a critical examination of the collapse, but I just don’t think it’s possible. We’ve not even started and the attacks have already begun.

[greendragon]

why do americans always question history? IT HAPPENED! GET OVER IT! dam you are still questioning JFK; 45 years ago. answer; he was assasinated because of some1 didnt like him. end of story. same for 911; some1 hated your very existence, PERIOD. i watched the alamo the other day, and the hero's that died. they were on mexican soil and were told to leave. they didn't; so mexico wiped them out - end of story.

[mental marijuana]

Great point Greendragon. Why question history? What is wrong with us that ask a question when things don't add up? Everything in the history books is how it happened.

JFK was shot by Oswold. There is no UFO cover up. 911 happened just the way we were told it did. Pearl Harbor was a complete surprise and a real shock to the administration.

Never question anything. Just follow along like good sheople.

[BUSH HATER!]

"those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it" said by some guy smarter than me. I don't know about you, but I really don't want a repeat of 9/11.... there aren't enough rights left for us to lose now thanks to the endless War On Terror! One more of these "terrorist attacks" and we'll all be carrying biometric ID, surrounded everywhere on cameras and GPS, or maybe wearing one of these (notice what they define an "asset" as):

http://www.digitalangelcorp.com/

Here's another company with FDA approval to use these chips in sheeple... http://www.verichipcorp.com . A bit of supporting evidence never hurts... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/14/human_rfid_implants/ .

Maybe we just live in an age where most people simply don't care any more. Maybe they have given up after being burned so many times from "the system". Better to let well enough alone, and not stir up any problems, for fear of what the system will do to them. And now we find ourselves in a post-9/11 world where we don't even know what goes on around us. The New World Order is ramping up it's take over, and the masses are content with paying attention to American Idol. Welcome to the Matrix everybody! The North American Union is about to be launched, and most people don't even know what it is. Or, how about Codex Alimentarius? Ever heard of that one? If we stand by and wait til Dec 31/2009 when this one comes into full effect, we lose. period.

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=322

Not much time left for us to get our collective shit together, as a species, and do what needs to be done. If the USA goes to war with Iran... or their currency collapses... or if there is a new 9/11... where does that leave us all? Can we as a planet afford to have an all out World War 3?

If this all seems far fetched, you might want to spend half a day using Google to check some facts before you jump on me. Sorry, but it happens a lot. I get people going off all the time on me with a "how dare you question what they told you to believe" attitude, and they have no idea what some of the evidence is. I can't even count the number of people who didn't know that 3 buildings fell on 9/11. When I saw a video of a guy walking around on a university campus, asking people at random "what year was 9/11?"... and most of them had NO FKN IDEA!... I wasn't even surprised, and damn is that ever shitty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ktgl0tcsXg

Well I've written way more than I thought I was going to already. I apologize if I have offended anyone, it was not my intent. Just having one of those days, where the next 5 years look really bleak. Definately been spending waaaaaayyyy too much time researching this stuff :eek: .

peace.

d

[BUSH HATER!]

Regarding the Faux News Network http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&sourceid=zeitgeist

It reaches 4.7 billion people worldwide with Republican propaganda

[claude_zachary420]

U will find the best 911 stuff here:

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/index.html?search=911&top_submit_search_button=Search

[GreenFlame]

,,, I'm too tired to wake up all the fools,,they'll have chips stuck in their ass in due time,,,,all while asking "What lead to this? " I was concerned with watching American Icon and masterbating,,now I'm a disposable resource that if I don't "produce" enough I'm dead ". Run on the wheel you blind little Hamsters,,,time is ticking.

[leroy]

Is that you Lonestar? Diamond?

[greendragon]

sorry guys, its my sarcasm at play again. history? books? what a bloody joke? did you know the bible was "re-written"? how about the 12 foot people of the world? and bigger, funny how the skeletons disappear? but the bible still has goliath? notice he's a bad guy so all big people remains "go away". human remains and homo sapien? how many years ago? and we are the first civilization? columbo discovered america? viking settlements in canada dated 1000 a.d. magno electric pulse energy? bermuda? now where did that battleship go? oh, ya - U.F.O. got it, no wait; cant print that.

sheep, no - something that hides its head in the ground? an ostricth, no another fine myth. cant eat rabbits - american children will have nightmares about the easter bunny that lays chocolate eggs getting eaten. americans believe in the freedom and liberty of all nations; but stick their noses and their asses in every1's business worldwide. 9/11 was 2001, but im canadian and remember. 3 buildings? how about the 7 others that were torn down because of "damage" caused by. the 2 main buildings did not explode - they melted; thats why they came straight down. honestly think please!

[greendragon]

TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK at new orleans and how the american government allowed 50,000 hard working black and white citizens to perish. yes, you heard me right. approximately 53,000 people are mia or dead; or relocated because of the gov'ts actions that were viewed live by people worldwide. and what was done? nada, nothing, zero. you poor S.O.B.'s, your doomed.

[BUSH HATER!]

TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK at new orleans and how the american government allowed 50,000 hard working black and white citizens to perish. yes, you heard me right. approximately 53,000 people are mia or dead; or relocated because of the gov'ts actions that were viewed live by people worldwide. and what was done? nada, nothing, zero. you poor S.O.B.'s, your doomed.

Heres a great documentary on that topic -> http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7721859326791373209

Damn! I love Google video!

d

[leroy]

"Damn! I love Google video!"
Google screens the info in China at bequest of the Chinese goverment under the view that some info is better than none. How do you know Google doesn't filter it here to slant the views toward conspirancy theories that can later be easily dis-proved thus hiding the true cover-up? I watch "24" too.

[greendragon]

i would not worry about 24! but jerico; maybe an H in there somewhere, seems to meet the american mindset; that show is believable. almost time for the producer and writer to have a fatal auto accident? hhhmmmmmmmmm

[greendragon]

dam, leroy have you never had netscape? with netscape that had a fatal mishap there were several sites all linked together. you could go from netscape/usa to netscape/UK and get another different view with 1 click then go to netscape/japan or netscape/australia. was really neat UNTIL some1 caught on. boom!

[BUSH HATER!]

"Damn! I love Google video!"
Google screens the info in China at bequest of the Chinese goverment under the view that some info is better than none. How do you know Google doesn't filter it here to slant the views toward conspirancy theories that can later be easily dis-proved thus hiding the true cover-up? I watch "24" too.

Oh, guaranteed they are filtering the content. I watched "Future Of Food" a few days ago, then when I tried to cue it up for the wife it was gone. Thats why you need to get your information from many sources that can then be cross referenced. I use Google as a source for current online videos, not to tell me how to think about whatever topic I am watching. If I see a video that concerns me, I then dig deeper to find the facts from many different angles to see if it is something I need to worry about. Sometimes the video is complete bullshit.. other times it opens up awareness to a whole new world of information for me.

As for Google slanting any views, there are way too many videos available there for any patterns to develop I think.

d

[GreenFlame]

"School of the Americas". This is a secret training camp thats been in operation for decades for training future leaders of 3rd World Countries.These are people who are trained to obey USA,,they also have the physical characteristics of those people that they will govern so that they will be more readily accepted.Their allegiance is to America while quietly betraying the interests of their people.The USA has been tied to some 86 asassinations,coup,or coup attempts,etc.,,,,On a different note,,I enjoyed the topic of 12 foot tall skeletons,etc,,,another thing of interest that parallels that is that chemical analysts was done on some Mummies.The scientist found levels of Cannabis,Cocaine,Morphine,etc in their system.Now if you recall, modern scientist claim Earth travel wasn't until thousands of years later.Thats b.s. because South America is the only producer of Coca.Egypt is on the other side of the World,,,how did they procure it? Another thing Jesus existed right beside the Egyptians,(Think about this,Jesus's presence reset our time keeping from BC to AD.The years stopped accumulating and restarted.The numbers I come up with if he hadn't appeared would make this year 5708),but only mentioned them briefly as though they were off topic.We know that they had unusual powers and that they possesed some means of levitation.I have a very old Bible that has a chapter about the Egyptians and decodes hieroglyphics.It also touches on the Rosetta stone.(Oh! look up Dropa Stones).We could go on and on ,,but the Earth has been inhabited and destroyed several times,,wiped clean if you will and restarted.In Genesis it mentions the Giants before us.Thats what started this paragraph,,the 12 foot skeletons.

[oldnewbie]

Well thank God we've got the likes of "GreenFlame" Who, while unable to pay his own bills, is here to protect us from secret armies, despotic governments, 12 foot tall giants, and umm, the 5th coming

[greendragon]

you should research:"the giants of north america"; mind blowing. gagladesh, i may have spelled it wrong; gods of the old testement, mentioned in the "dead sea" copper scrolls. some that did not fall into the hands of the vatican. hitlers secrets: 1 mention of his trip with a regiment of SS, who visited the vatican and received the pope's blessing for world domination. they delved into the secrets but had the living crap scared out of them. the SS regiment was then assigned to scour the world for "the arc", "the guail" and several other long lost treasures. they were sent to south america and were still there at wars end. why south america? because this is where most of the "trinkets" originated. check out the "crystal skulls". as many as 50 U-boats were scuttled off the coast of s.america and numerous light cruisers and transports as well after being off loaded. i think not only has the usa got UFO's in hiding but also that they were "called" here by the SS.
accidently of course. who knows when history is written to tease the masses into believing we are the "first". explain egypt, china, atlantis, MU, easter island, the sunken cities of the med. sea that at 1 time was lower then today. how did the dead sea become "dead"? why and how did a complete MAYAN civilization vanish? hehehe go read a book?

[GreenFlame]

Unable to what ? you Fk'n weirdo,,you don't know me.Go back to sleep and bend over for your microchip when you're called.

[greendragon]

the whitewash, the dropa stones! yup, set aside by the authorities as "fiction" and all the rest of the gibberish. amazingly the chinaman went to japan eh? i wonder why? the stones were real. why could he not decode them? maybe only he had the master decoding stone? there are several of these original stones in existence. why would a complete race of people take them in copy for their dead for hundreds of years if there was nothing behind the legend? makes 1 think. but then im not a sheep.

[greendragon]

oldnewbie; says it all. dont let this type get to you. he is 1 of the baa baas.

you know; the type that says a complete viking dragonboat found buried in minnisota, usa was a hoax. has to be because america was not discovered until 1492 - it says so in the history books. hehehe

[chicken]

conspiracy theories are just that, 53,000 dead..lol.

who writes this stuff ?

and our government told those people to evacuate louisiana, i watched the buses run for days empty, because people would not leave.

you are told that your town is going to be anihilated, and you stay ! and that is anybody's fault but your own. how about a little accountability here.

then the obvious solution to all that is to go on a pillaging ,raping, killing 3rd world rampage to show big brother you are pissed, so that the red cross is even scared to come in. oh yeah that is the government's fault.....please.

[BUSH HATER!]

oldnewbie; says it all. dont let this type get to you. he is 1 of the baa baas.

you know; the type that says a complete viking dragonboat found buried in minnisota, usa was a hoax. has to be because america was not discovered until 1492 - it says so in the history books. hehehe

Yup.. my thoughts exactly. One more for the ignore list. Bye-bye oldnewbie!

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[BUSH HATER!]

conspiracy theories are just that, 53,000 dead..lol.

who writes this stuff ?


Not sure I understand what that means chicken, but if you are one of those people that believes that all theories contrary to the official government version are wrong and should be ignored, then you are living in a the dark box exactly like the 'they' want you too. I don't like to live like a mushroom, kept in the dark and fed shit all day... but to each their own I say. The sheeple are led to believe that the internet is full of crackpot conspiracy theorists, and it is only safe to get your news from 'trusted' sources like Fox. Good luck with that.

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[greendragon]

first off chicken, im a canadian. secondly im ex-military. the figures came from the international red cross agency. you know the 1's that were there collecting the dead bodies to prevent disease; the same 1's that your ignorant ass claims were too chicken to go in. you should be ashamed of yourself. no1 would go to "the stadium"? these people did not want to leave. yup, but they got fed and got water. thats the lucky 1's. how about the people that never got there? the old, the sick, the too weak? the one's that never had a radio or t.v.? how about the 2,000 dead policemen, emergency workers, red cross volunteers, or relief workers that nothing the united states goverment never acknowledged to have occurred? caught behind enemy lines, the weather being the enemy. you never saw the morges on CNN but you did on the BBC. the bodies piled line on line for over a mile in length times 75 rows? most were cremated after identification because of the chance of disease. i have a cousin that was there; who helped in the "collection"; you calling him a liar? while you sat back on yer hind end watching the live propaganda news on t.v. you know what i think of you dont you? baa baa x 10

[GreenFlame]

http://www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218 http://www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6645678004850801305

[BUSH HATER!]

http://www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2283625397351664218 http://www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6645678004850801305

I feel so bad for these first responders. They put their lives on the line to do everything they could to save people, and they were thrown away like trash. Now all the ones who didn't die on 9/11 are dropping like flies, and finding out that they were lied to from the beginning. I can't possibly imagine the level of anger these guys are walking around with. The death toll continues to rise, and the public continues to sleep.

As for your second link, that is a piece of Barry Zwicker's documentary "the great conspiracy". The whole video is definately worth watching. Here's the link http://shorterlink.com/?LM4K0S

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[BUSH HATER!]

Rosie talked about WTC7 again on The View yesterday http://www.911blogger.com/node/8569 . They will be running an episode with experts discussing that collapse in the near future too. Now THAT might just be big enough to turn a few heads. I'm sure Bill O'Riely will get into another rabid froth over how Rosie is a psycho, and as a result everything can be ignored and you can safely go back to sleep, but since The View is seen by 30+ million people, it is sure to wake up more than just a few. We can hope anyway.

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[greendragon]

right from the beginning there was something that did not ring true. how and where did the video of the first plane hitting the first tower come from? after the first act of terrorism, fighter planes were scrambled and put on alert. now for those who dont know; that means the pilots where behind an idling stick, ready for flight. in addition, the usa air force would have launched recon at the exact time of any report. why was recon not launched?

secondly, all traffic control would have ordered communications alerts with codewords set up a long time ago by NORAD command. I personnaly saw orders cut for this very purpose back in the '70's. what happened to those orders? why did a second plane circle for 20 minutes in silence before launching into the second tower? why did none of the suspect planes NOT get shot down with muslim arabic pilots quoting the jihad of the the koran over the airwaves? i was watching it live on CNN and wondering where the fighter jets were? too many questions right from the beginning.

[GreenFlame]

http://www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en

[BUSH HATER!]

right from the beginning there was something that did not ring true. how and where did the video of the first plane hitting the first tower come from? after the first act of terrorism, fighter planes were scrambled and put on alert. now for those who dont know; that means the pilots where behind an idling stick, ready for flight. in addition, the usa air force would have launched recon at the exact time of any report. why was recon not launched?

secondly, all traffic control would have ordered communications alerts with codewords set up a long time ago by NORAD command. I personnaly saw orders cut for this very purpose back in the '70's. what happened to those orders? why did a second plane circle for 20 minutes in silence before launching into the second tower? why did none of the suspect planes NOT get shot down with muslim arabic pilots quoting the jihad of the the koran over the airwaves? i was watching it live on CNN and wondering where the fighter jets were? too many questions right from the beginning.

Most importantly, when talking about the lack of fighter jets on that day, when they normally intercept planes in under 10 minutes from takeoff... why exactly was Dick Cheney running NORAD on 9/11? Look it up. Never before, or since has the VP of the USA been in charge of NORAD, but on 9/11 he was personally responsible for all the wargames that apparantly caused these guys to not be able to react in time. hmmmmmm..... that's kinda strange, no?

Here's Alex Jones talking on this topic -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw_XDxnciGs

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[BUSH HATER!]

http://www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&hl=en

Great movie! Definately my favourite for getting someone who has had no exposure to this stuff up to speed fast. I download 9/11 and NWO movies from Google and Youtube, add a DVD menu and burn them in DVD movie format with about 15 hours of video per disc. I've handed out at least 100 of those.. woke up quite a few people doing it too. This movie was usually at the top of the menu.

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[BUSH HATER!]

Just came across this new video on the Google top 100 list. 9/11 from a Canadian perspective:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7679145945390332221

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[BUSH HATER!]

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm??g=fab2cd88-8c42-4ce6-bd5c-3b6aca92ad7d&f=00&fg=email

Pretty scary stuff right there. It amazes the hell out of me what the sheeple are willing to give up so they don't have to carry a wallet and keys.

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[GreenThumb]

Something I viewed today made me think of this thread.
Hope yer alive and well twistaspliff. I now believe you about the NWO and ALL it entails.

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=end+game&hl=en&sitesearch=&aq=f#