Health Canada can screw off.....

[Pothead Pete]

My doctor has been strongarmed by Health Canada as it seems my daily dosage of 10 grams was way too high according to them and their source of information. Guess where that is....the United States. Seems most people only need 1 to 3 grams per day and that Health Canada was worried I may be "diverting" my meds. What the hell does that mean? I explained in dismay to my doctor (as I had figured this was the reason he called me into the office in the first place) that what was supposed to be the short form renewal--FIRST TIME, NO MIND YOU,,,,,indeed has turned into a strongarmed attempt into making my doctor drop my limit. I asked him if he was going to listen to a bunch of stuffed shirts in Ottawa, or really take into consideration that I medicate with approximately 10 grams of cannabis a day and planned on continuing my course regardless, as it had proven VERY successful in maintaining my body weight and allowing to take my pills everday on time with FOOD!! My CD4 cellcount has never been higher at 620 and my viral load is undetectable!! I want to LIVE, and LIVE with dignity and a QUALITY OF LIFE!!! Thus my marijuana at 10 grams daily has brought about tremendous positive changes in my life. My doctor just shook his head and said well "We'll just let er ride like it is!".....Thank God I don't have to worry about getting busted for continuing to do what has kept me alive and in improving health. And another thing, I am sure Health Canada has smurfs that are here on TY so be careful,as it seems the programme is getting even more strict than ever, and less are being admitted into the MMAR. That is their goal. So go screw off Health Canada and leave doctor patient relationships what they are supposed to be.....PRIVATE!!!! Because I am ill and have a high tolerance I get this.I do not want to go overboard here but boy the nerve of those pricks!!!:cool: :cool:

[Marco Renda]

They did the same thing to my doctor who had upped my perscription to 26 gr per day but he backed down and put me at my previous amount of 16 gr per day. The doctor told me that he did some research and that the average dose is 3 - 4 gr per day. When I looked him straight in the eyes I knew that he was only repeating what the ASSHOLES at Health Canada told him and what info is on their website. How in the hell can they make those statements when they keep stating that there has been no studies done. If you ask me it's all BS! We need to get together and put a class action lawsuit against them as that is the only time that med patients get any satisfaction

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[carl]

personally, i would rather go to jail than put up with any more of their shit :)

[pierre drouin]

just got back from toronto to go see my DR and he told me he wont be able to raise my prescription from 5 grams a day to at least 10 because of fucking harper.

they are DR's those moron's behind desks pushing pencils to decide how to control our chronic pain .

am just waiting for a settlement for my car accident and lets all go after these fuckers i'll pay all i have to change this in justice we are all living.

sorry for ranting but poeple need to get off there asses and need to start fighting back then want to make us buy there carbage next also FUCK THAT AND FUCK THEM.

i wish we would all get toghether and make a big noise in court:eek: like 200 exemptee or something like that.

o and the crap about most people only use 2 to 3 grams a day ,maybe that's all they can afford or have access to because this M.M.A.R. program is bullshit and all fucked up.

anyways am gonna stop am gonna have high bllod pressure lol:mad: :mad:

you all keep growing and smoking that wonderfull miraculous plant:)

[MichaelBoyko]

if some compassion club wanted to front the crusade it would probably do well and have a lot of support.

After all, if the courts say Marijuana is medicine they need to understand that examining those records is a breach of privacy, let alone non-doctors acting as filters for prescriptions for whatever ends (other than helping people) isn't in the best interests of the patients, which is obvious. Check out some state's MMAR programs and you'll see that most have more people in their own state registered than all of Canada put together. Stats like that don't lie. Add in the strong arming of physicians and in some cases threats to revoke their licsences (such as whole provinces disagreeing with marijuana as a treatment) despite the constitutional right to have this treatment (as courts indicated citizens DO have, hence the MMAR was ordered to be made).

I would probably fight the good fight by indicating if the government can't rectify these problems the whole organization be transferred to a citizen run body or charitable organization to oversee the lisencing and such. This probably won't happen, but with the government's obviously anti-mission (do they even HAVE a mission statement yet?) the courts have to agree that someone else's agenda is in play here, and it's contrary to the needs of sick individuals.

I am sure that there are enough complaints and, of course without any legal recourse as the MMAR is a policy and not a law as determined by the recent lower Ontario court findings, problems with the program that the courts would find it difficult to ignore them.

At the very least the option to have the MMAR obligated to WORK WITH compassion clubs to ensure the program operates in "good nature" with the needs of the populace in need would not be too much to ask for as, restated, as that the government has spent years stalling and blocking normal feasible attempts to procure liscences, Marijuana, and doctor recommended dosages.

But the man to fight this fight isn't me. A crusader I am not. But I know some of you are.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[rev.clone]

i said it before and i'll say it again.

What is todays regulation is tomorrows eradication.

just my opinion.

[speakrsrfun]

I have post Traumatic Epilepsy and have not had a daytime episode in almost a year, now the funny part..... I've broken teeth off, I mean at the gum line during a seizure, and feel like a truck ran over me when I come too, ready for the funny part.... I stopped taking my Anti-Convulsants and pain meds and increased my intake of MMJ to about an average of 5-7 grams a day. Now I also have an Intolerance to gluten-based products and the MMJ allows my stomach issues associated with prolonged gluten intake to be manageable, i.e. symptoms that are a mimic some of those of crones.

Now lets look at this point here, take this into consideration, I roll a joint that contains anywhere from 1/2-1gram per joint mostly on the upper end, so how can they tell me I have a limit if I require more that day, that’s taking away my right as a human and a living being. Hmm this reduces me to a worthless disposable object and number, this doesn’t sit well with me and that's how I see it. Listen if you take away my democratic choice to decide what I feel is right your denying me and removing my birth given right as a Canadian to choose what I want as a free and intelligent individual. This has to be a violation against the Canadian constitution and I object to this type of treatment. How I choose to medicate should have no bearing on who or what I am, I use MMJ because it works, bottom line. I treat my agony and pain the only way I have found that's respectively effective, and if that excludes the Pharma companies that used to poison my body with toxins and kill my liver, well sorry folks but the Pharma companies can cry a tear in my beer anytime. What they fed me never worked worth a damn anyway, poisonous bastards……

Imagine this, Now if I was already exempt and had a set limit you'd think that health Canada would have no issues having me extend my license right, nope I was transferred to a neurologist that is not willing to admit he's ever wrong, has a limited mindset and is not willing to explore alternative methods. Here's what makes me laugh due to the "MORAL PRACTICES" of his practice they can not sign for a medical exemption, so let me ask yah Doc… you see it as being morally and ethically correct to allow your patient to lack the only thing that provides him or her any relief, ha real compassionate Doc. So you'd think going to another specialist would solve this right, not a chance, it seems that 90% of all the Dr's in Canada are scared shitless of losing Gov't funding if they go along with a medical program that actually works, rather than eliminating it so the cost of inspectors and organizational staff that know what they are doing can be hired. Lets be totally honest and completely frank here, if you are not exempt right now it seems the likelihood of one becoming exempt once again are pretty grim. Am I the only one here that has a hard time seeing why a Dr. can't see through all the government smoke and mirrors long enough to provide their patients with the relief they require, and if the Gov't looked the "DR. PATIENT CONFIDENTIALLITY" act over they would soon learn they have nothing to contribute towards anything regarding what myself and my Dr. decide is required to adequately relive my torments. I for one think lawsuits are in order for all those who’s Dr’s were contacted violating the Dr. Patient confidentiality act….. Hmmmmm.


I’m going to put this as blunt as I can just in case a Hellth Canada Troll is reading these posts, I for one am not willing to have seizures, furthermore I will do everything in my power to prevent them, and if that means providing myself with my meds in a non authorized format that's just the way it's going to have to be. If I go to jail for doing so they will have one hell of a sick fucker on their hands that isn't too nice when he wakes up from an episode, and trust me without my meds I'll begin to have tonnes again, guaranteed. The liability associated with allowing me to seize and doing nothing to prevent it is inhumane and would definitively cause me irreversible brain damage. So I’ll just have to wait out the storm with Mr. Harper and hope someone with half an intellect is elected to make intelligent thought out non-biased decisions. Until then I will just have to do what I have to do to live a seizure free, headache relived, appetite-allowing life, sorry for any inconveniences Hellth Canada, Peace and keep well all.

Speaks

[neutrino99]

I was referred to my 6th doctor to consult for a signiature to Health Canada's MMAR program.
I have been refused by all my Dr's for the following reasons:
Dr E Messervey, family physician....you have a drug problem, it is illegal, I dont beleive it works
Dr. Appleton, sleep Dr, nuero psychiatrist: I'll send you to another Dr that I think will sign for you as I know it helps but I work in the US as well and cannot risk two practices for you
Dr. B (keeping this name to myself) , Pain specialist - I agree this helps you but cannot risk my licence and practice which benefits many others just to assist you and a few others.
Dr. S, neuro psych (brain injury specialist) - I agree that it seems to be the only thing that helps you and I can clearly see you have a Hx of long standing serious side effects from virtually all medications but I cannot risk my license either....called other Drs to try to convince them to sign for me and discussed the same.
Dr. Latowski, family physician - went there = asked to leave a urine sample (complete invasion of my privacy ....as he never took me on as a patient or revealed what he would test me for) and then refused to take me on as a patient citing that I am "too complex a case for " his practice. In other words....Im too sick and he is too busy.
Dr. T...why recite the same reason as above...

so we can all see that it doesnt matter how many Drs agree that it is what you need if none of them will sign to assist you I still remain a criminal for treating my pain in the only way I know how and keeping my rage at bay without being comatose on sedatives. :(

I dont think anyone new stands a chance of obtaining a signiature for this program even if they have the support of their drs. Just one more battle and frustration for the sick.

[MichaelBoyko]

Yup, sounds like it's time to write down the complaints, get testimonials from doctors and patients, get facts, get a lawyer, and start out on the government.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[wickedqueen]

to the point that they have a committee, made up of people who know nothing about marijuana or its effects, who decide what your dosage should be. Also that they would even have a maximum dosage - how can they do that, when so many different strains have differing levels of cannabinoids?

I'm not slamming Canada, mind you - in the US if you're on any kind of government aid program and they find out you're using marijuana, regardless of the state's laws, you'll lose your federal aid. The other end of the spectrum.

Wish they'd just leave us alone.

[dgbakercdn]

These Medical professionals have been threatened by their governing bodies with the withdrawal of their licenses, honestly what do you expect them to do?

It is not their fault, they are as afraid of the New ultra rightwing Conservative government of Canada as the rest of us, and rightly so.

Doubt it? Go read what the jackboots did to the Canadian media today in PEI [it is in the ACTIVIST area, it should freeze your blood]

[dangdonkey]

Yup, sounds like it's time to write down the complaints, get testimonials from doctors and patients, get facts, get a lawyer, and start out on the government.

Michael Andrew Boyko

And this is the only way it will get done.
Take it too the courts.

I feel for you guys, I can't get a doc to sign either. I know of a doctor in the next province that will sign but I'm not sure how health canada would view this.

DD

[MichaelBoyko]

Maybe someone should start consulting McAllister?

After all, we can only complain so much before the horse bucks.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[dee]

I said it before and I will say it again. We all have to meet face to face, this would get rid of our HC moles.
Meetings in every province with as many exemptees that can come. A park, a board room, someones backyard, I don't care where it is but we have to do something.
I for one would drive 2 or 300 km's and pick up as many exemptees along the way as i could, to sit down and talk FACE TO FACE. LETS FACE IT WAITING FOR THIS COMPUTER SCREEN TO SHIT OUT ANSWERS IS HOPELESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN HC KNOWS ARE EVERY MOVE THANKS TO OUR CONVERSATIONS.
ANYONE WANT TO MEET?
LETS PICK A TIME AND A PLACE. ATTENDANCE WILL GROW EVEN IF IT IS JUST A FEW OF US AT FIRST.

I have been in talks with a very respectful law firm in T.O. without saying more we all have to meet. Together we might have a chance.

Marco, you are the leader here and well respected within your domain. Can you pick a place and time? I have pleaded this in prior posts but as it turns out I don't have the pull you do.

Dee.

[zigzag1a]

a meeting of all ( or a majority even ) of xmt's would be nice. the logisitics i fear though make this all but impossible. i'm on vancouver island and i'm on bc disability, the expense of even getting off the island is rather daunting, plus ill health makes extended travel quite difficult.
i agree that we need to take the bull by the horns and fight for our rights, we've done plenty of disscussion on the matter, lets try and get underway with it then.




I said it before and I will say it again. We all have to meet face to face, this would get rid of our HC moles.
Meetings in every province with as many exemptees that can come. A park, a board room, someones backyard, I don't care where it is but we have to do something.
I for one would drive 2 or 300 km's and pick up as many exemptees along the way as i could, to sit down and talk FACE TO FACE. LETS FACE IT WAITING FOR THIS COMPUTER SCREEN TO SHIT OUT ANSWERS IS HOPELESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN HC KNOWS ARE EVERY MOVE THANKS TO OUR CONVERSATIONS.
ANYONE WANT TO MEET?
LETS PICK A TIME AND A PLACE. ATTENDANCE WILL GROW EVEN IF IT IS JUST A FEW OF US AT FIRST.

I have been in talks with a very respectful law firm in T.O. without saying more we all have to meet. Together we might have a chance.

Marco, you are the leader here and well respected within your domain. Can you pick a place and time? I have pleaded this in prior posts but as it turns out I don't have the pull you do.

Dee.

[MichaelBoyko]

This is a nation wide issue so face to face conversation isn't entirely feasible... At the same time, it's important to put a face to the fight. But I agree, meet, collaborate, and such. But also don't forget to act, find lawyers, make a complaint with a lot of noise.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[dgbakercdn]

Canadians need to grab the bull by the balls; and squeeze. :D

How many thousands of dollars is the ferry trip these days?

How about a video/voice conference online, I do not own a computer cam but you should be able to create a conference for free using some sort of peer to peer system?

[Pothead Pete]

an online survey regarding Health canada's MMAR.I basically told them the same thing I just stated here......except today is my 45th birthday!! Alive with AIDS for 5 years and still going strong because of my pills and CANNABIS!!:D :D :D :D

[zigzag1a]

ferry is gonna run me a hundred bucks or so each way. plus gas, food, accomodation etc.
quite a chunk out of a monthly dissability cheque.




How many thousands of dollars is the ferry trip these days?

[MichaelBoyko]

Well, if someone wanted to spearhead a meeting in each province, perhaps some arrangements could be made to make it easier on you, Zigs?

Michael Andrew Boyko

[dee]

ZigZag I agree with what you said.... but I did write down "meet in every province"
There must be more than just yourself on the Island. If you got another 2 or 3 exemptees on board and someone gets another 10 or 20 from the mainland, multiply this across the provinces and viola we have a group without HC snitches.
It could be satellite groups for now with East coast, Central, and Western division representatives. these three people can conference call on "throw away" cell phones, this way a person from PEI could in effect have direct input to what you might say on the Island .

Much quicker than the smoke signals we are sending now here on the web for all to see.

While yes it would be a small group, exemptee's will start to come out of the wood work. Within several months I envision a larger group.
And lets face it, A Class action has an awesome ability to attract people to a cause. Especially when there is a possible payout and or public apology that may and will follow. Putting payouts and apologies aside, the best thing that can happen is having what H.C has done to us and are still doing for all to see, especially the ignorant public. Lets put H.C. under the microscope.
It has to end this way because I know in your heart or hearts, you know that they are wrong and you are right.
If we can go this way the general public will cry out for us. We need a group, we need to go to the press, we need to tell the truth to the public. In that order.
Or we can continue as we have done for 6 years, bitch to one another and let the government decide our fate.

[dgbakercdn]

I guess it can be done: :confused:
Paltalk is the largest video chat community on the Internet with over four million active members participating in live voice- and video-enabled chat rooms. We allow thousands of simultaneous users to communicate using video and voice all in the same chat room. The Paltalk Messenger is also compatible with leading instant messaging (IM) services.
http://www.paltalk.com/en/learnaboutpaltalk.shtml

[dee]

Zigzag would you have any objections to spearhead an Island group in effect we would need 4 phones to make this happen, and we will make the Island for this purpose of the group treated as another region or pseudo province.
By breaking up into regions we can show the public that although we are all in the same federal program we are treated differently because of geography. I have seen many Alberta people treated differently than lets say Ontario exemptee's, or lack of Alberta exemptees because of regional prejudice and therefore no license for you if you live there. Its wrong.

How are mike phones?, how about voice over the Internet? does anyone know of secure privacy communication?

Dee

[dee]

Dg you answered my question.
thanks
Dee

[dgbakercdn]

This string should be moved to the Activist forum.

It is a call for nationwide political activism.

Isn't it fantastic.

[Marco Renda]

I have said this time and time again. Thursdays 11AM - 2PM at the KINDRED CAFE. If the weather is sunny we can gather on the rooftop if the weather sucks we can use 1 of the 3 private rooms. In the winter months a room is reserved for me every Thursday.

So when do you want to start?

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[dgbakercdn]

Fantastic:

Now the activists have a place to meet.

[MichaelBoyko]

Cool, yeah there has to be a large group of XMTs on the island, or close to it. Of course Albertans could meet in Red Deer, as it's the most central. Of course, if you can't get out of the house for whatever reason, we can work out some technological facilitation. I am sort of an expert in that area, also, the abovementioned service could work.

Though if it's an exemptee only meeting I won't be able to attend, but I am glad to see some spark of resilience going through people's heads instead of just accepting it. What we really need to see is a head for each province, and perhaps a head for all of Canada who can take all of the actions, initatives, decisions, etc from each area and start working with a lawyer.

Any volunteers?

Michael Andrew Boyko

[dee]

I have said this time and time again. Thursdays 11AM - 2PM at the KINDRED CAFE. If the weather is sunny we can gather on the rooftop if the weather sucks we can use 1 of the 3 private rooms. In the winter months a room is reserved for me every Thursday.

So when do you want to start?

Take Care and Peace
Marco
I have been very active on this site (mostly viewing) and maybe I wasn't looking at what I was supposed to, but this is news to me. Albeit very good news.
Marco thanks for the quick response. and the invitation.
This Thursday my wife needs to be at her specialist I must attend, I can't believe the bad timing, If it wasn't such a serious matter I would much rather be at the Kindred Cafe.
I will be there on the 16th without fail.

As to your question, I want to start right now. By asking you to please post a threat on the main page. A permanent one like your court decision. One stating Legal MMJ users in Canada must share their shitty experiences, that we need to form a group in every province, and a general cry to each MMJ user in every province to seek each other out and stand tall. That we must hit the media to debunk all this anti pot crap, H.C.and doctor confidentiality, late renewals,and the list goes on. Hopefully we can use this forum to at least make dates on which province meets where and so on.

Its time to push back.

I hope this will be the real deal, it will only fail if we let it.

Dee

[neutrino99]

I would handle paperwork and things that can be done from home for the Province of Ontario if anyone wishes my assistance.

I am NOT an exemptee yet though as I have tried endlessly to obtain a signiature for my more than three qualifying conditions with no luck...just letters of support and one even saying I should be on a higher dose of cannabinoids. :rolleyes:

I would attend any meeting that is anywhere else...but for personal reasons I cannot attend this building. I am unwelcome.

If people could co-ordinate and mail to me or email to me then I can work this from home I'm sure.

[Bathroy]

Just a suggestion but why not place an ad in the major newspapers asking MMAR patients to go to the website and share their stories, mabey even make a list of qualifing patients who were rejected? I'm not an xmt but have seen the results this drug has had on my wife's life in dealing with chrons disease and I thank god for it everyday.

[MichaelBoyko]

Written and signed testimonials would be best. Scanners and Fax machines should facilitate the collection, or at the very least, post.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[dgbakercdn]

Or a blurb in TY Mag?

Has there been a story documenting Health Canada BS?
or
the fact that Dr's have been stymied and threatened by regulatory boards?

[dgbakercdn]

..."am NOT an exemptee yet though as I have tried endlessly to obtain a signiature for my more than three qualifying conditions with no luck"...


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This data is as important, if not more so, than the trouble Federal exemptees have been going through.

[neutrino99]

Ok here is the list of qualifying, documented medical conditions I have:

Intractable chronic pain from 1. Fibromyalgia - diagnosed 2003

Intractable chronic pain from 2. Torn Ligaments in the neck and spine causing instability and the need for chronic adjustments and massage.

Bowel and GI issues from 3. Chron's Disease - diagnosed 2001

Appetite problems from : opoid therapies, depression and Crohn's

Naseau issues from: opoid therapies, depression and Crohn's

Rage Issues and chronic pain from: 4. Multiple Traumatic Brain Injuries - beleived acquired in one of 10 MVA's now sustained (none my fault for the record) - likely 2004 when head was directly hit by window frame. Finally diagnosed 2007.

5. Facet Joint Syndrome requiring lumbar nerve burning (rhizotomy) that I am terrified to have...causes constant peripheral nerve pain down the right leg often making me stumble when I walk and burning in my right ankle and foot. Tried Lyrica and it caused painful burning in BOTH extremities and then Topomax only to have my hair fall out while I vomitted daily and didnt eat or keep food down for more than three weeks. I got so weak I HAD to go off....still re-growing my hair with a special shampoo.

6. Headaches - cluster, tension - chronic, intractable pain - these are daily and never leave from both the neck issues and the brain injury. I get pain injections of local anesthetic every single week the maximum legal dose just to get relief from these for anywhere from a few hours to a few days. I get 17 - 22 injections that total the weekly maximum allowable dose from the neck up all in my neck, skull and face to releive the pain in my jaw and face. I drive two hours to TO every week to have this done.

7. Temporal Mandibular Joint Dysfunction - constant pain in the face and cheeks (similar to trigeminal neuralgia) that limits the type of food I can eat by my ability to chew.

hmmmmm...there is more...but is this not enough to qualify me for some relief???

Did I mention I have had cancer (low grade) three times now???????

I have constant stress battling my legal issues as 7 years post the first MVA I still have not seen penny one other than for expenses and as yet my lawyers REFUSE To ask for reimbursement of my cannabis as they told me "I would lost credibilty to the insurers and courts if I admitted to that". Never mind that every pain Dr and Psych Dr I have been to has already documented that I admit to using...so now what????

Oh and after repeated letters to Trillium Health I cant get coverage for my more than 1K per month in legal prescriptions which exceed my current Income Replacement from the insurance. (so does my rent by the way). Now also because I cannot afford to file my taxes for last year. (got charged 900 just to do medical expenses)
I didnt qualify for ODSP because I didnt apply within one year (as my GP told me Fibrlmyalgia didnt make me sick enough - never mind everything else I had)

But NO our government is here to help us.......

[dangdonkey]

Sending faxes and emails is a grand idea but there is a need to reach all permit holders.
Also when I questioned my doc on the mmj program he stated I wouldn't qualify.
I have sever crohn's and feel that mj benefits me greatly and therefore I think it is on him to allow me access to what helps. And personaly I think if more conditions were listed on the access form then more doctors would sign.

[MichaelBoyko]

Newspapers and television cost money. If you wanna reach all of the exemptees I would suggest you contact the compassion clubs and companies so they can advertise the "call to arms"

Michael Andrew Boyko

[dgbakercdn]

MAB- how simple; how bloody brilliant.

[carl]

what is the eventual outcome that you seek? :)

[MichaelBoyko]

Not to mention if you guys can get this off the ground and look presentable I am sure every marijuana publication in North America will write an article about it - frankly, exemptees could get some compensation... Or at the very least a change for the better.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[MichaelBoyko]

Carl I believe they are seeking to open the doors to the medical marijuana program. To ensure the government acts in good faith to patients that need this medicine, instead of blocking them at every turn. But Carl does bring up a good point - what do you want to happen? Do you want HC to make it easier for patients to get access to marijuana? Do you want it reclassified to be legal? Do you want to maintain distribution rights of the marijuana in a civil authority rather than a political one?

Michael Andrew Boyko

P.S. - For those of you contacting compassion clubs make sure you have a poster or something they can put up as well. But I would assume there should be a discussion of goals and objectives before you start doing that.

[carl]

i plan on surrendering my license and facing whatever penalty they wish to throw at me head on. hopefully, the public will support me because i know that the majority of MMAR exemptees won't. every day people are getting screwed and noone seems to have the will to fight back :)

[neutrino99]

as my Dr pointed out today, is that any fight we attempt to launch will be fought against us with much deeper coffers and a higher agenda all with the TAX dollars of the folks that support us.

It made me sick to think that my parents tax dollars would go to battle the sick on an issue that has been repeatedly decided in the courts and the popular opinion poll of the general public. I know they wouldnt support their money being used this way.

This is all so sad and makes me feel bitter and defeated. I cant even fight my auto insurers...how can I fight the freakin gov't???? People don't fight because they make you feel as if any "resistance is futile".......oh GOD we are being ASSIMILATED. *giggle* this would be funny if not so sad.

[dgbakercdn]

Exterminate: Exterminate!!!

King Ralph, the now oft shamed and turfed [and pied] Conservative ex-Premier of Alberta once publically stated that people with Rheumatoid Arthritis were a drain and a burden on society.

[MichaelBoyko]

it is true, they will have more money... But that's why you rally the exemptees. Or perhaps convince a lawyer out there to work on payout. If the exemptees claim money fromt he fight, then the lawyer gets a portion of that, if you don't win, the lawyer doesn't collect.

Which is why someone coordinates all of the exemptees who want in on the fight to provide proof of troubles via papers, written testimonies (patients and doctors), etc... If you can collect enough to convince a lawyer to take your case you might have something to fight with.

Of course if you need money to support the lawyers then it's time to get really motivated. Businesses, compassion clubs, patients, growers, everyone pitches in and things happen.

Absolute worse case senario you represent yourself. Which works in lower courts and if you can carry it past that then you go to the higher courts which will need a lawyer, but by then you'll have some momentum built up.

Another kind of cool arguement at your disposal is that your opponent, the government of Canada, has infinite money to throw at a defense, the privilege to stall in the courts, and to fudge the rulings knowing that full well they'll have to go back to court in a few years just to start it over again (the whole policy instead of a law issue). All the while people get sicker, the government continues to block medical marijuana, strong arm doctors, and in short WILL bleed the money and life out of the patients just seeking fairness under the law, the fairness they deserve based on THE FACT that Canada was ordered to make and maintain a MMAR program. With our evidence we should be able to show that the Government isn't fullfilling the desires of that decision.

It's just that simple.

Of course, you will need to first convince the court that you CAN directly altercate with the MMAR as that it isn't a law. But I am sure this will be won't be too dificult, esp given the ontario lower court's decision. Frankly, I think it will come down to which judges you get. Hopfully they are open-minded and fair.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[MichaelBoyko]

Nuetrino, you're right. Your doctor is right. So I would ask him to write a letter to the courts indicating his position on medical marijuana, how it's helped in your case and the cases of other patients and his recommendations for the change of Health Canada. Of course he should stipulate that it is the patients and doctors who benefit most by freeing access to medical marijuana, and that they alone have the imperical evidence of it's improvement in the quality of life.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[hollowpoint]

michelle: its my understanding that here in alta, the dr's are the one's blocking the permits, but the college of physicians who insure the dr's against liability. of course they're bought and paid for by the big pharma's who we all know will lose big bucks if the sick are ever allowed to freely gain access to mj. me dr has refused since the program came out and he doesn't care if you are dying in a week, just take these drugs. I had a laugh at his expense this week when a third yr resident handled my routine monthly come and get your leash renewed appointment. he noted a dramatic improvement, or reduction, in the morphine and my blood pressure, from 9 months ago, and wanted to know how I managed it. I told him, with cookies,lol. then I explained how the cookies are made and with what ingrediants. he was amazed and commented how liberal and scientific my doc was, lol, yah right. I told him I could be busted any day for doing this because although my doc knows about it, and told me to continue whatever it was I was doing, because it worked so well. but he will never sign as long as his liability insurance is at risk. I also do not know anyone in alta who has a permit, nor do any my friends know anybody. and its supposed to be better than the states, ok where?

[sedative ocean]

Hey there Hollowpoint......
You are dead on with what is happening here in Alberta.
I just had another appointment with doctor today.... if I were in any other province I would get my MARR immediately, no questions asked.
He offered to send me and my medical file out of province to get a specialist to sign but will NOT sign for me here in Alberta.
Oh, and by the way, there was the ever present pharma rep with his big black suitcase again. Every time I go into his office there is always that same clone carrying the black case. :(

peace
Donna

[Pothead Pete]

get up ,,,,stand up,,,,stand up for your RIGHTS!!!! LEGALIZE !!!! :cool: :cool:

[pierre drouin]

it automaticly makes you responsable for your choice in meds and you DR is not responsible for what ever side effect marijuana may cause you (o a little happyness,maybe laughter and the right quality or life)

it's a form on the hell canada web site saying that you can't hold your DR responsable for what ever happens to you from using pot.he can't loose his licences he's not responsable.

man it's crazy that DR's are still violating our rights.

just sign you stupid close minded freaks:eek: or legalize waky waky:D

anyways i know some people got a signature after showing up with this form at there DR's office.you have nothing to loose by trying that .

just a suggestion to help my friends or just all move to ontario ,we dont even have inspectors:eek:

you all take care and have yourself a pain free wonderfull day:)

[neutrino99]

isn't worth the paper it is written on Pierrie and I AM FROM ONTARIO and cannot get a signiature....so please do tell the specialist that will sign for me and my Dr's will refer me. I will go anywhere now...fly anywhere, do anything.....

I showed that form to my Dr and he reminded me that although I can sign it for myself I cannot waive the interests of a third party and could not possibly rule out all interested third parties. After I die some friend could sue him for the loss of my companionship and attempt to prove a link to my health care or lack there of and blame him. Also if you know much about liability you can only sign away what you can "reasonably forsee". This small language flaw has left many people able to sue that thought they didnt have a leg to stand on after signing liability waivers for things like waterskiing and parasailing at camping places. How do I know you ask?? I used to obtain signniatures for these very events at a place in Ontario (wont reveal) and we were sued repeatedly with success till we stopped offering these fun activities. It only takes a few bad apples with no common sense to ruin it for all of us...we live in a litigious society with much room for failure and interpretation.

For the record this is also why it is so hard to find a place to go horseback riding anymore.

It would be great advice if it actually meant anything but that paper is essentially worthless.

[MichaelBoyko]

If liability insurance is the biggest issue, then remove the need to worry from the doctor's hands. I would suggest that someone out there have a lawyer work with a doctor to construct a template agreement that admonishes the doctor from all liability pertaining to your medical condition. Basically, it would state that should something happen to you with regards to your health while using marijuana medically he would be safe from lawsuits from you or any other interested party regarding your care.

This is extreme, mind you - as it does leave you without a legal leg to stand on should the doctor make a mistake and mix medications that leave you blind. But hey, if it gets you your marijuana. Frankly, the necesity of such an agreement just to be able to obtain medical marijuana would further the arguement of an improper MMAR.

But I would like to take the time right now to point out that suing your doctor for maltreatment, or whatever, isn't really a bad, evil, or malicious thing to do. People make mistakes. In the case of a doctor a mistake can take someone's life. They don't do it maliciously, but it happens. When this happens costs are left behind for the family (or further medical expenses if the mistake doesn't cost you your life) that you deserve to have paid for by the faulting party. Doctors know this, and professionally their job allows for possibility of mistakes. Because of this they have a system in place that gives monetary relief to those who deserve it without effecting his own livlihood. Insurance is a good thing. Just like auto insurance that insures people who's cars get wrecked have the ability, under any circumstance, to retrieve money from the individual with whom it happened.

About removing your right to sue you might be able to get a brave doctor to sign, but it is a risk for you - Just a thought. But it would help out in court. Of course having a good agreement (that the doctor would insist would have to be agreed on by his insurance company) in place would free the hands of the doctors and prove to the courts, again, the hypocrisy of the situation.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[MichaelBoyko]

Quick question, are there any registered canadian charities out that pertain directly to marijuana or include medical marijuana in their mandate? You might be able to find a lawyer who gives money to charity every year anyway who can offer a portion of his legal fee in trade for a donation receipt from such an organization. Really then, he's not out anything he wouldn't have been without anyways. Doctors pay quite a bit in taxes.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[MichaelBoyko]

Judges... Don't forget them. Many have a similar mindset as do you individuals. Watch the news, any marijuana sympathetic judge should definitely be contacted.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[MichaelBoyko]

FY!, a compassion club is currently in court fighting allegations of drug growing and trafficking. Their defense? That the laws have no force and effect as that the government never held up the order of the courts - keep an eye on this one.

Also, Charles Roach, a self advocate is SUING the government for 25 million dollars to be paid to the persons and families of individuals who have been affected by unjust marijuana laws... Or else it's on behalf of a church that uses marijuana as a sacrement. For some reason I'm finding articles that are varying wildly on this issue.

Michael Andrew Boyko

[Pothead Pete]

and it seems that their attempts at lowering my daily reccomended dosage have FAILED!!! I am so grateful to my doctors who absoloutely agree wholeheartedly that medical marijuana at 10 grams daily works for me!!! I was told by Peggy from Health Canada that my limit is still at 10 grams daily. I get my new card by courier either this afternoon or by tomorrow morning at the latest. I just hope I do not get a knock on the door before the new exemption card arrives!!! I for one am glad TY is here to see this and be my witness should any unforseen incidents occur with the police....when I have 49 plants growing without an exemption due to the ONE DAY LAPSE!!! If you owe the government money they sure are on your tail...but to remain exempt is another thing!! God Bless you all and God Bless my doctors...they truly have the best interests of their patient in mind!!:cool: :cool:

[Pothead Pete]

it looks as if I will not have any proof until the mailmain comes tommorrow, of the legality of my grow.Hmmmmm.........:eek: :eek:

[Marco Renda]

FY!, a compassion club is currently in court fighting allegations of drug growing and trafficking. Their defense? That the laws have no force and effect as that the government never held up the order of the courts - keep an eye on this one.

Also, Charles Roach, a self advocate is SUING the government for 25 million dollars to be paid to the persons and families of individuals who have been affected by unjust marijuana laws... Or else it's on behalf of a church that uses marijuana as a sacrement. For some reason I'm finding articles that are varying wildly on this issue.

Michael Andrew Boyko

Vancouver Island Compassion Society is the club that is in court right now and below is the correct info for the lawsuit


NOTICE OF CLASS ACTION AND MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION
To members of Third Eye Mission of God
Davin Christensen

Today at 2:36pm
Reply NOTICE OF CLASS ACTION AND MOTION FOR CERTIFICATION

Statement of Claim, July 31, 2007
Federal Court of Canada (Trial Division) File No.: T-1430-07

On September 24th 2007, Reverend Dr. Edwin Pearson of The Silver Light Mission of God and The Assembly of the Church of the Universe and its Missions throughout Canada are presenting a Motion before the Federal Court of Canada at 180 Queen Street West, Suite 200, Toronto, Ontario, pursuant to Rule 299 of the Federal Court Rules, seeking Certification to commence a Class Action and for Dr. Pearson’s Appointment as Representative of all Class Members.

Inclusive as class members are all Reverends, Missionaries, Brothers and Sisters of the Assembly of the Church of the Universe, parishioners of the Church and all persons who have a belief in God and that Cannabis (marihuana) is a sacrament of the Church, a basic tenet of the Church which will provide a better understanding of and joiner with their God, and all persons who believe in Freedom of Religion.

The complaint charges the Respondents officers, servants and agents "with misfeasance in office" violations of Freedom of Religion, the arbitrary detention, search, seizure, arrest, and the institution of charges for an offence supposedly prohibited but which to their knowledge does not exist in law or fact, causing the unlawful prosecution and imprisonment of Ministers and parishioners of the Assembly of the Church of the Universe and other class members who
partake or whom in the past have complied with the mandate of the church as regards the Church sacrament, cannabis (marihuana. The complaint alleges that during the Class Period, 2000-2007 the defendants had full knowledge that the prohibition relative to cannabis (marihuana) had by law been repealed.

If you wish to discuss this action or have any questions concerning this notice or your rights or interests, please contact Reverend Pearson or Counsel who will be retained after certification of this class action. Notification of counsel's name and how he may be contacted will be posted on FDSLaw: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FDSELaw/
Reverend Dr. Edwin Pearson may also be contacted at (905) 634-9049 or via e-mail: ed2411@sympaico.ca

REVEREND Bruce Ryan may be contacted at
(416) 465-7500

REVEREND Michel D. Ethier may be contacted at (705) 753-9560
and/or via eMail: ReverendMike@SAFe-mail.net

REVERENDS Tucker and Baldasaro may be contacted at (905) 522-3247 and/or via eMail: iamm@iamm.com Internet: www.iamm.com

All Members of this class may view a copy of the motion and action as filed or join this class action online at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FDSELaw/? Any member of the class may choose to do nothing and remain an absent class member.

Be well and prosper. In peace, bless us all.
Church of the Universe www.iamm.com

[Pothead Pete]

I just wish Health canada would not allow our permits to have a "non exempt" period....I am happy the wait is over. Why not send out the permits a week early Health Canada? It would save a lot of us a lot of stress!!!:D :D :D

[saeon-tsion]

I just wish Health canada would not allow our permits to have a "non exempt" period....I am happy the wait is over. Why not send out the permits a week early Health Canada? It would save a lot of us a lot of stress!!!:D :D :D

Glad to hear it, Pete. You deserve everything good you can get in this life.