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09-14-2007, 02:48 PM
I have 8 white widow X herijuana in their 45th day of veg tomorrow and ready for 12/12 but I have not sexed them yet. My first grow of G13X butterscotch hawaiian X G13 backcross I had planned on taking flowering clones after deducing the sex. Belatedly I discovered this strain detests being cloned during 12/12. Now to the focus of this post!
Is anyone aware of any cloning issues with either white widow or herijuana in flower??? Thanks in advance for any info you can provide. I have adequate rapid rooters but would rather put just females in them than take clones of everything and dump the males when the clone donor shows
09-15-2007, 04:55 PM
The rule of thumb is that the earlier maturing (shorter flowering time) your plants are, the harder it is to root them from flower. This is also true of revegging a plant from flower, and rooting is probably delayed or discouraged by this factor.
It may sound like it would take longer, but revegging and then taking cuttings for rooting, is better than not getting them to root at all.
Selecting cuttings from lower, less budding/flowering/mature, branches works better, because the revegging factor is less, but pale shaded lower branches can be weaker. So a nice comparatively dark green leafy lower branch make a good choice for a cutting/rooter.
One thing to be aware of is, the importance of Blue light in both revegging the plants and stimulating root growth, hence MH popularity for vegging/rooting. I use Standard spectrum Gro Lux floros (not the W/S) combined with Actinic Blue Marine Reef Tank tubes in a 1 to 1 ratio, and they provide a nice 3:2 Blue:Red ratio, with plenty of Blue and Red emission. Using pure Blue alone doesn't work, since the plants then have a Red deficiency. 1:1 ratios of Cool White and Actinic Blue tubes work better than CW alone. If you are using a MH system, a 10,000K bulb works well, but the 20,000K bulbs seem to be overkill on the Blue with a Red deficiency.
Rooting compounds can slow or stop growth temporarily, you may want to try 1/2 your cuttings without it, to see how your particular plants respond to it.
Good luck with it. :)
09-15-2007, 07:42 PM
Since I have no idea of what the flowering time to maturity is I have no basis to determine if either one of the parents are quick maturing. The G13 butterscotch is definitely not a short flowering strain but yet clones taken in flower were doomed as soon as they were taken, however this group of them had the clones taken in veg and are more developed than the other strain clones taken the same day. The pisser is I found a male during veg and disposed of it when it was spotted and assumed( I know, I know) the rest were girls, today on my morning visit I spotted balls on one of the G13bsh so that means I cloned a male that needs to be neutered. I used to number each plant to track back for just such a situation but this dude was a late bloomer compared to its brother and thought I had caught all the males. I'll let it mature in the veg room till it's near to erupting then cut and stick pollen stems in a baggie till the girls are ready to have a lower bud site pollinated and make more seeds. I use a mix of cool white flouros and GE plant and aquarium flouros and 4 45 watt CFLs. As for rooting compounds I normally use shultz take root powder but did an experiment and used clover honey and dipped the cut and prepped clone stems in the honey and then in their rapid rooters. I had multiple roots in just days where with the shultz they took 5 days normally.
09-16-2007, 08:59 AM
Gotta love a strain that shows sex in veg under 24/7 lighting. On my morning visit I went into the veg room and thought I should start watching for signs of cojones on the 3 G13 bsh and low and behold balls on one, I supect if I had looked a bit closer yesterday at the veggers I would have seen balls on both the mom(or dad in this case) and clone. Now to continue watching the WWxHerijuanas for the same signs and eliminate them from the garden.
09-16-2007, 11:09 PM
I grew out this cross and observed plants reversing to males more and more over time, and after a year the one female I'd saved went to completely male in early flowering. It might just be a recessive trait that this one female had, but I'd never seen this late a sexual reversal before, in a plant that seemed to be a stable as a female for so long. Perhaps it was the age of the plant that did it, but with this particular set of seeds it seemed that all 6 went male eventually.
I'd recommend you keep checking them all the way up until harvest.
These are wicked stinky plants and I plan on possibly breeding with the seeds at some later point, but the plants taking a pollen powder when someone is trying to grow seedless smoke would be a real headache.
The good news is that this reversal trait is probably female gender linked, so any male seeds resulting from hybridizing with some other female strain, would not carry this trait and be fine to breed with. Female offspring would probably have the same gender expression instability.
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