Anyone Else Disgusted By The Conservatives...

[dgbaker]

... teaming up with the treasonous traitors? Shame.

[BigG777]

I just about can't take it anymore. Today I'm reading at cnn.com and there's a top story about this top secret British memo from 2002 where the Brits are discussing a meeting with the Americans and how they've decided to invade Iraq and were twisting intelligence reports to gain support for an invasion. An absolutely infuriating story. So I go over to foxnews.com and of course NO STORY AT ALL! I can't take it. How the F**k are we ever going to get out of this black hole we're stuck in? GGGGRRRRRRRR

[Grant]

The Bush puppets!

[dgbaker]

They have actually teamed up with the party that wants to destroy Canada and vote to ajourn the House before anything can get done, no wonder the Conservatives are polling third in metro cities over 1 million people, behind the Green Party no less.

They and their supporters, namely mostly Southern Alberta are seriously out of touch with Canadians.

[I watched a social science documentary that explained why they think the way they do, there were two reasons; One: was that they are more American than any other region in Canada and Two: they are some of the least educated.]

"Bush Puppets" indeed.
The DEA would[scratch that] *will* be knocking on your door if Harper gets in.

I am thorougly disgusted with Stephen Harper.

The Bloq of the West.

In all honesty I hope they keep this childish crap up, they will be decimated in the next election sadly so will the NDP.

[HopaLong]

Conservatives...
The Bush puppets!



Right On Grant!

[anonymous]

The Bush puppets!


I think these are what my wife uses to pick the dog poopie out of the back yard ????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[gonjaguy]

You can whine and moan, or get off your as* and vote them out next election. There are plenty of great people in the great USA. Just get off your lazy duffs and do something about the current regime. True Americans don't run from a struggle...

[dgbaker]

umm, yes but; we're talking Canadian politics here, the Conservatives are out.

Just not far enough.


As to voting Republicans out in the USA, people did the last two elections they still managed a way to get in. Thank G-d we still vote with a piece of paper and a marker up here.

[gonjaguy]

Gotcha dg. I misunderstood, sorry. And I want to also say that venting is good. I just want all Americans who are sick of the consevatives here to talk to their friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc about voting so we don't get the next wave of retro psychos in here. The Iraq war was started with BS WMD info just like the Vietnam war was started with BS. I can't believe the republicans (conservatives) are dumb enough to repeat horrible history this soon.

[groo]

We have such fine choices.

The Liberals are busy trying to pull a dictatorial "That's not a confidence vote!"

The NDP (all three of them) are pretending they'd be noticed if it weren't for their siding with the Liberals to "maintain" the government.

The Conservatives are rushing to force a vote.

The Bloc are (as per usual) doing what they can to disrupt the country.

The whole lot of them are worse than the kids who scream and fight outside when school is done for the day.

[dgbaker]

It wasn't a confidence vote, apparently you have about as much understanding of the Constitution that harper has.

Nobody, no political pundit or lawyer on the planet agrees that the vote was valid.

The Cons are trying to sieze power by any means they can even if Canadians do not want an election, seeing as the Liberals are 9 points ahead in the polls and now have the numbers to form a *majorty* government you can already see the Cons positioning themselves to lose the vote on the budget by claiming their members are too sick to vote.

[and if you remove Alberta from the polls, IE any city under 1 million the Cons are polling third behind the Green Party.]

Well like the email I sent the Conservative member that cannot do his job, if he cannot complete his sworn duty to Canada he should resign immediately and there should be a by election.

I guess they could just sit on their hands like they did the last time they said they were going to take down the government of Canada.

Remember that? Or have we forgotten that already.

If the House was dissolved the Queen would not be able to visit Alberta or Saskatchewan next week, it's too bad actually as much as I'd like to see the Queen as it'll be that last time, the smarter political move would be to allow the Conservatives to run ruffshod over Parlimentary procedure and let them take the blame for the cancellation.

If for no other reason the MMJ movement is more than enough cause to never vote Reform.

[dgbaker]

In fact this proves harper is playing power games and really is now afraid of an election as Canadians aren't as stupid as he thought:

OTTAWA, Ontario (Reuters) -- Canada's two main opposition parties shut down the House of Commons for the second day running on Thursday to try to demonstrate that the minority Liberal government no longer has the confidence of Parliament.

And for the first time, opposition Conservative leader Stephen Harper brought the role of the Governor-General Adrienne Clarkson, who has the power to dismiss a government and call an election, into the political discussion.

He said he did not plan to visit her for now but said it was evident that the government did not have the mandate to govern since it was unable to control the House.

If he was serious he would go to her.

[hollowpoint]

what a croc, so you're saying all the current trouble is due solely to the conservative party? did you forget how the liberals have been caught with thier hands in the cookie jar? this is incredible! we don't have a viable party option in this country right now, we can vote the liberal dictatorship back in, where the people don't matter as long as they agree with the liberal's BS, like thier red book of promises, or the bloc who everyone knows thier agenda, the NDP haven't had a voice since the social credit days, and then there's the reform-woops conservatives.
I would like to know just what the ontario voters see in the liberal party, that makes them vote them in time after time despite thier criminal actions, yah that seems reasonable thing to do since they are all crooks anyway, vote in the party that is caught the most.
scientific study my ass, I can come up with another study that manipulates the facts just as easily, and who was behind this study, martin?

[dgbaker]

The Liberals *have not* been caught with their hands in the "cookie jar" again another citizen not paying attention.

These are unproven and unsubstantiated *allegations* by men involved in the organised criminal elements of Quebec.

The men that are making these allegations are contradicting themselves daily.

It is nothing more than heresay and he said v/. she said.

Nothing more, it is why the Cons are refusing to allow the Gomery commision to do its job as these facts come out of the Gomery commision.

If you watch the commision daily as I do on CPAC, I also watch the House of Commons every day whilst apparently others are watching Maury, Regis, or Ellen.

This is nothing more than a handful of unelected civil servants that were mixed up with the mob in Quebec that decided they could skim off the top.

It has now come to light that Galiano and Guite actually set up a second "shadow" election comittee to do just that, nobody knew what was going on but them.

You can argue that Martin should have known but that is not the issue.

The Liberals are hardly a "dictatorship", get real, if you are going to make absurd comments such as that you are falling into the tactics of the Cons.
In fact the actions of the Cons the last three days in the house are what is dictatorial.

Sad and shameful.

What is really sad is that people are simply uniformed at best and at worst misinformed.

Sad and shameful.

I wonder how you justify your use of MMJ and your politics?

hmmm?

BTW being a "Redneck" is not a good thing.
It is a pergorative term not a banner to be proud of.

Sad and shameful indeed.

[groo]

The "mob"?!?!

I can't admit to hearing any newscaster or reading any articles that refer to the issue as being "mob" related, but it is an interesting spin to throw on things as the Liberals cling to power. As far as I know, only one of those involved has been accused of pocketing any of the money personally, so "skim" doesn't seem to be a motive, either.

The commission does need to complete it's investigation before charges can be laid, but that doesn't mean the Liberal government has to remain in power while the investigation continues.

[dgbaker]

http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3941499

The Economist is a highly regarded magazine around the Worls it is also right wing.

The Tories are already trotting out star candidates they have recruited and sharpening their attack ads. Mr Harper's calculation is clearly that he must strike while public anger over Liberal sleaze is at its peak, or risk missing his chance. This looks like a gamble. A crop of recent opinion polls suggested that the Liberals have regained a narrow lead over the Conservatives. But in suburban Ontario, where Canadian elections tend to be decided, that lead is stronger. That may be why Belinda Stronach, a leading Tory moderate from Toronto, expressed doubts over the wisdom of an early vote.

In English-speaking Canada, Mr Harper may receive few thanks for helping the Bloc, which is set to be the main beneficiary of Quebec's disgust over the sponsorship scam.


Almost all Canadians seem eager to punish the Liberals for steering hundreds of millions of dollars of public money to party friends. But far fewer want to give power to Mr Harper


He has made efforts to move his party towards the centre. Abortion rights, bilingualism, the Kyoto protocol on greenhouse-gas emission and state-financed health care all found support at the party's recent policy convention.


But Mr Harper, who made his political career in ***Alberta, Canada's most Americanised province***, is still seen by many as an icy neo-conservative ***more in the mould of America's Republican Party than of consensual Canada***.

As I said before, and astutely so, Southern Alberta is heavily Americanised and more Republican than Canadian.

The next few weeks will make or break Mr Harper's career. He will either become prime minister, or be cast on to Canada's large scrap heap of failed conservative leaders.

Why do they always fail?
They fail because they and those few that support them are so out of touch with Canada due to their being Americanised and less educated than the average Canadian that no real Canadian can stomach the thought of living under a Republican government.


Do you agree with harper's view on abortion?
Capital punishment?
The enviroment?
on bi lingualism, which he has spoken against.
Health care?

and yes of course:

MMJ?

If you do you really shouldn't be here advocating legalising MMJ now should you

[dgbaker]

Again more misinformation.

The reason that the Gomery commision must be finished whilst the Liberals are the government is for this fact.

The election hinges upon the outcome of the commision itself.

Apparently you want to punish the Liberals before the truth is known, very Conservative/ Repyblican indeed.


The neo Cons are screaming corruption yet refuse as apparently you do too to allow the truth to come out.


How you can make a decision without the facts and truth is beyond comphrension.

Then again I have pointed out your errors and hypocrisy numerous times the past two years, nearly.


According to FBI documents:Gagliano is a "made" member of the Bonanno crime family.

If you had watched the commision you would know that.

Further; to date there has been no proof or even an allegation that any *elected* *official* of any party, including the Bloq, which also has been said to have recieved alleged funds.

Only buracrats and non elected members of parties have been implicated.

Those are not grounds for a election by anyone's standards, it is exactly why support for the neo cons is sliding, nay, crumbling, as I type..

[Drizzt]

for the insights dgbaker...

:cool:

[Grant]

Amen !

[groo]

The election hinges upon the outcome of the commision itself.

Apparently you want to punish the Liberals before the truth is known, very Conservative/ Repyblican indeed.


What is known is that Liberal groups received funding via contributions from these various ad agencies. What is known is that the Liberal government and staff were involved in awarding the bloated contracts to those ad agencies. What is known is that the Canadian people got bilked for a lot more money than any of us ever dream of seeing in real life.

Whether specific politicians were involved does not worry me -- that's for the commission to dig out the details of who to charge, and what those charges will be.

It's a minority government that could be broken apart at any time. That's been known since the election, so for the Liberals to now be using "wait for the commission" as an excuse to postpone the inevitable next election seems rather ludicrous.



How you can make a decision without the facts and truth is beyond comphrension.


You know as well as I do that no one will ever know "the truth" in this matter. Once the commission is done there may be a few trials. A few years later, there will be appeals. The public will never "know" the details of what actually happened to the money.

[dgbaker]

Ludicrous? Why?

Many countries have minority governments, especially where they have some form other than first past the post, similar to what they are voting on in B.C..

It works well except were you have fringe political parties such as the Conservatives.

It takes cooperation, give and take, like we have seen between the Liberals and the NDP.

There is no reason why a minority government cannot function.

The Cons are refusing to work, all the while still taking their pay.

It is not "known" that Liberal groups recieved any monies at all again you are misinformed.

A handful of buracrats associated with a Liberal election commitee in Quebec that was set up as a second hidden ghost comittee of paid "volunteers" are the only people that have been alleged to have recieved money; they deny it.

Again, he said/she said.

I, like the vast majority of Canadians, want to wait until everyone including the judge and the RCMP have had a chance to decide what went where and to whom, not a power hungry fringe politician bent on doing whatever it takes to seize power.

Including teaming up with another fringe political party bent on literally destroying Canada.

The contracts were not "bloated" at all, another attempt at misinformation, they were legitimate and fair, what was allegedly done with a small portion of the money was not.

Further the Gomery enquiry is now approaching and will in all likelyhood excede the monies that were misappropriated by these senior buracrats and members of the mafia.

Funny thing is as I said the Bloq has been implicated as recieving directly to the actual party some cash in the neighbourhood of 100K yet harper has teamed up with them.

hmmmmm.

Now it comes out today that a Liberal, Daniel Dezainde, had his life threatened by one of Galianos " right-hand man" Joseph Morselli and asked for RCMP protection.

"They [the RCMP] told me at the end of our meeting 'the best protection you have is to publicly testify.' - Daniel Dezainde.

The Liberal party boss in Quebec from 2001 to 2003, Dezainde says his attempt to take control from Gagliano's right-hand man Joseph Morselli by firing his sidekick Beryl Wasjman for influence-peddling met with great resistance.

He tried to stop it and had his life threatened.

Dezainde said a running gag started at the Liberal party's Montreal head office about the possibility of his car exploding on ignition in the underground parking lot.

Morselli, who is expected to begin testifying today, saw his own car explode in 1989 for unknown reasons.



ya Groo you're right there's no Mafia involvement.

[dgbaker]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050514/VOLPE14/TPNational/Canada

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1116036110890_17/?hub=Canada

Federal Immigration Minister Joe Volpe has asked the RCMP and Federal Ethics Commissioner to investigate two Conservative MPs, CTV News has learned.

CTV Ottawa bureau chief Robert Fife reports that Volpe is alleging the two MPs offered to help immigrants in return for money.

In the first case, Volpe has asked the RCMP to investigate allegations that Alberta Tory MP Deepak Obhrai accepted $20,000 from his estranged brother-in law to help him get into Canada.

Volpe also has claimed that Surrey Tory MP Gurmant Grewal asked his B.C. constituents to post bonds of up to $100,000 in exchange for his help in obtaining temporary visas.

"I just left it off to the Ethics Commissioner and the RCMP for them to deal with it and I'll leave it at that," said Volpe.



In other words allegations of fraud cross party lines.

Two Conservative MP's are under criminal investigation by the RCMP and it barely makes a blip.

[Grant]

I want my energy accord dammit! Harper is holding Saskatchewan students up from getting a 20% cut in tuitions and me from getting a raise in disability.

[dgbaker]

Yup, even King ralph signed on the dotted line yesterday to get some 477 million in gas revenues.

As if we needed it. That's bus fare/found money for Alberta and ralph better spend it as such.

Provincial and municipal politicians, normally critical of Ottawa, heaped praise Saturday on the Liberal government and Prime Minister Paul Martin during the signing of the deal, which will pump $477 million into infrastructure projects throughout Alberta over the next five years.

"Without the prime minister's leadership, we would not be here today," said Bob Hawkesworth, president of the Alberta Urban Municipalities Association.

Calgary Mayor Dave Bronconnier praised Martin for delivering on the promise he made to municipalities before the last election.

"It took a great deal of personal fortitude," Bronconnier said.


No one says things like that about ralph or harper, not even in Alberta.

[dgbaker]

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=cf9124b7-6d96-4ab3-a914-1b328db450fb

Gomery: not all of Brault's claims backed by evidence
Some of the money ad man Jean Brault says he funnelled to the federal Liberals *may have* reached its destination but *other claims aren't backed by [the] evidence*, Justice John Gomery said Wednesday.

"I have no basis for concluding the full $1,763,000 ever found its way to the Liberal party." -Judge Gomery

Gomery didn't tip his hand as to what conclusions he may eventually draw. But he suggested some observers [the neoCons] have jumped to conclusions about the ad man's testimony.

"It's too easy, it seems to me, to come to a conclusion that these are amounts that might have found their way into the Liberal party.'' -Judge Gomery


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050525.wgomery0525/BNStory/National/

Gomery pokes holes into auditor investigation

The forensic accounting report tabled at the Gomery inquiry came under fire Wednesday, both for *over-reporting illicit donations to the Liberal Party of Canada* and for failing to look more aggressively for off-shore accounts.


The report of the forensic accounting firm Kroll Lindquist Avey had estimated that the Liberals received $1.7-million in unreported, illegal donations.

But the head of the inquiry, Mr. Justice John Gomery, made clear his skepticism about that amount.

Also, the Kroll investigators came under questioning about their inability to spot that the owners of at least one ad firm involved in the scandal had an overseas bank account.

Report co-author Robert Macdonald had told the inquiry Tuesday that Kroll's accountants found no off-shore accounts.

But Sylvain Lussier, a lawyer for the government of Canada, asked if they had checked an Ottawa Citizen report about the South Carolina home of Claude Boulay and Diane Deslauriers, the owners of Groupe Everest.

The property is owned by an offshore corporation registered in the Bahamas, the report said.

The auditors also faced questions about their claim that the Liberals received $1.7-million in secret payments.

Judge Gomery cautioned that many items in that tabulation didn't belong there.

***“I have no basis for concluding that the full $1,763,000 ever found its way into the Liberal Party of Canada,” the judge said.***


Judge Gomery made a distinction between amounts Mr. Brault gave to individual political organizers and what might have happened with that money.

“Much of this money clearly **didn't find its way to the Liberal Party of Canada.** But it's amounts disbursed by Groupaction with a political motivation.”

Through his questioning, Mr. Mitchell trimmed nearly a million from the $1.7-million total.

More than $800,000 out of that total was money Mr. Brault paid to a lobbyist, Alain Renaud. Kroll investigator Steven Whitla agreed with Mr. Mitchell that **“I can't be sure what he did with this money.”**

After much insistence from Mr. Mitchell that the $800,000 was paid for lobbying, not for the party, Judge Gomery concurred that “whether that money eventually found its way to the Liberal Party of Canada I'm of the view I don't have enough evidence to come to that conclusion.”

Another sum which Mr. Mitchell managed to get removed from the Kroll tabulation of hidden donation to the federal Liberals was a $50,000 payment from Mr. Brault to another ad firm, Groupe Everest.

Mr. Brault's own testimony alleged that the money went instead to the **provincial Liberal party**.



[No wonder the neoCons do not want the truth to come out]

[coco_artist]

This is very informative and also very scary. I never realized the corruption went so deep.

[dgbaker]

The point is that the "corruption" doesn't actually go beyond a handful of people that had little if anything to do with the Liberal Party of Canada, according to Judge Gomery's own conclusions to date.



Oh yes, today Saskatchewan uncovered its very own "adScam":

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050524.wsask0524/BNStory/National/

Regina — The scandal surrounding alleged misspending in Saskatchewan's Environment Department could involve as much as $500,000, the provincial auditor said Tuesday.

In a report prepared for the public accounts committee and released to the media by the Opposition, Fred Wendel suggests that poor oversight and a failure to follow proper procedure resulted in money being paid out for services not rendered.

In an interview, Mr. Wendel said his findings indicate that only one employee is involved in the misappropriation. But he added it was the system that allowed it to happen.

“The misuse of public money is related to one specific person, whereas the conditions that allowed it to happen involved many persons,” Mr. Wendel said.

[this is a "government thing" not a political party thing.]

“There were some lax internal controls, particularly management oversight here, but ... the payments looked legitimate from a senior manager's perspective,” Ms. Stonehouse said.

The missing money in the Environment Department is one of two unrelated financial investigations that the Saskatchewan government is dealing with at this time.

In the Department of Community Resources, investigators have determined that $1 million disappeared over 10 years.

[coco_artist]

Yeah, but I haven't kept up with politics. That's why reading this thread is so good for me. That's all I was saying dg. I didn't even know about half the corruption..so I haven't even thought of the particulars yet.....

[bobbyD]

i hate the conservatives they are preston manning in a different body and face,, they suck bigtime,, they are negative to my disease , stem cell research , medical marijuana i am totally against the conservatives/reformers/christianheritage/ party ,

the NDP stated previously they were also against stem cell research,, not talkin embryos but adult stem cell therapies,,

they are pro marijuana but anti stem cells,,

the liberals are saying they are pro medical pot but they just seem to be pretending,, they make the most ineffective MMAR and that is a disgusting garbage program,, so imo they have not helped but hindered in the last 8 years since alan rock declared i could use medical marijuana in a Section 56 Exemption.

there is no good person or party to represent my needs as a Canadian with MS, that stands a chance in hell of ever runnin the big office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so i will support all the bologne and cheeze sandwhiches running for political office,,,

bobbyD

[HCOL]

They are all a bunch of arogrant useless dickheads every one of them and theres NO hope in sight.

[HopaLong]

What's 12 inches long and hangs between Bush's legs.................Harper's tie. :)

[fat]

i think it's funny how conservatives seem to be rich republican religious zealots. do they really think that there will be religious separatism and a capitalist system in heaven?

[Grant]

c o u g h !

[Marco Renda]

POLITIANS you can't believe a word that comes out of their mouths

NDP LIBERAL CONCERVATIVE BLOC they are all the same just different leaders speaking in FORK TONGUE

Marco

[lesliechet]

fork tougue language is kinda like a disability isnt it,lol.