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A Cannaseur in Training
09-03-2008, 05:27 AM
Here is some info on electricity.

Electricity flows through things called circuts. A Circut is the wire, diodes, capacitors, resistors and other components electricity goes through to do its job. For electricity to flow it must have a complete circut. Breaks in a circut are called shorts and will disrupt the flow of electricity.

Breakers are the first place electricity enters your circut. It is a safety divice used to ensure that the circut dosnt draw more amps than what it is rated at and to protect against fires caused by grounds/shorts. Breakers are designed for a safe working load with a bit extra for protection against surges. The safe working load of ANY breaker is 80% of what its rated at. EXAMPLE:A 20amp breakers safe working load is 16amps(20 X's.80=16).The 4 amps left are for safety to ensure power surges/spike dont trip the breaker. On a 15 amp breaker the safe working load is 12 amps. So the formula for calculating a breakers safe opperating load at is (Breakers size(amps) x's .80) To change 80% into a useable number simply move a decimal 2 places left. EXAMPLE 63%=.63 or 118%=1.18 etc...

Next place the electricity flows is into a wire from the breaker. Wire size is determained by the size of the breaker its connected to.The more amps the bigger the wire needed. Wire size is messured in units called "American Wire Gauge" or "AWG" for short. The higher the Gauge number the smaller the wire, The smaller the gauge the bigger the wire. EXAMPLE= A #14gauge wire is smaller than a #8gauge wire. A #22 gauge wire is smaller than a # 14gage wire. The Gage index for the most part moves in multiples of 2's. EXAMPLE- There is 14,12,10,8,6,4,2 gauges of wire while there isnt any 13,7,3 gauge wire. Here is a Break down of wire size needed for amps drawn.
#14 wire=15amps
#12 wire=20amps
#10 wire=30amps
#8 wire=40amps
#6 wire=50amps
#4 wire=70amps
Personally the smallest wire I'll use is #12 wire. It gives extra protectin from melting/hot wires caused by too much electricity/resistance flowing through too small of wire. Wire is also colored for certain uses EXAMPLE- Green wire is for grounds, white is for nutrual/common and any other color(be it red,black,brown,blue,pink anything but green and white) are used as "hots". Hots are wires that are chaged with electricity. When a wire or circut is charged with electricity they are considerd "Hot".

Next place your electricity goes is either an outlet or a switch. Outlets are rated for safety as well. They make 15amp outlets, 20 amp outlets and outlets that handle high watts as well. Most every outlet in peoples house's are 15amp. When looking at a 20amp outlet there will be an extra slit/slot on the right side little hole where the prongs from the plug go into the outlet. It looks like a sideways T. This is a safety feature as anything that uses electricity and requires a 20amp circut will not have a normal plug. One prong on the plug will be horizontal as normal while the other prong is turned purpindicular. They do this so the device requiring a 20amp circut and outlet can not be plugged into a 15amp outlet. Another type of outlet are GFIC's or Ground Fault Interupter Circut. These are the outlets with the 2 buttons on them that say "test and reset". They opperate like a breaker does by protecting against sures/spikes and shorts BUT are way more sensitive and offer better protection that breakers alone. When installing outlets in grow rooms its best to make sure all the power being used are on gfi protected circuts. In doing so you will be protected against electrical fire caused by shorts and breakers not tripping. Also if you try and reset a gfi which has no power flow it wont reset. These outlets come in the same sizes and have the same prong configuration as normal outlets.

Now for some formulas. To calaculate watts used by any piece of EQ just multiply the amps used by said EQ by the voltage required. EXAMPLE- A device using 10amps requiring 120volt uses 1200watts or Amps x's volts=watts. To figure out amps used by any EQ just divide instead of multiplying EXAMPLE- Watts / volts='s amps or 1200watts/120volts=10amps.
Heres the formula for calculating how much it would cost to run your whole set up. We are billed per the kilowatt hour, A kilowatt hour is 1000watts used in one hour of time. So if you have a 1000watt light you will be billed for every hour it is on as it is a kilowatt BUT if you use a 400watt light then it would take 2.5 hours to be billed one incrament or kilowatt hour. Simply find out how many watts each piece of EQ uses in a day then add them all together and multiply by 30(number of days in most billing cycles) This will give you the total watts your set up uses per month. Now take your monthly wattage use and divide it by 1000. This will give you how many kilowatts you would be billed for. Now I cant tell you how much electricity cost per kilowatt hour where you live as it is different from place to place. So I will use the scale I am billed for the example.

EXAMPLE- you have a 600watt light that is on 12 and off 12, 115watts of florecent lights on 18 hours and off 6 hours, A fan that cools the 600watt light and uses 330watts, An exhaust fan that uses 180watts to run and is on 22 hours a day, and a circulation fan that uses 220watts and is on for 24hours a day.

Now lets do the calculation. 600watts x's 12hours='s 7200watts a day/ 115watts x's 18hours='s 2070 watts a day/ The fan cooling the light is 330watts x's 12hours='s 3960 watts per day/ exhaust fan using 180watts x's 22hours='s 3960 watts per day/ Circulation fan using 220watts x's 24hours='s 5280 watts per day. Add all the daily wattage use together-7200+2070+3960+3960+5280='s 22,470 watts used per month. To change 22,470 watts into kilowatts just divde 22,470 by 1000 ='s 2247 kilowatt hours you will be billed for. I am given a base useage amount per month. When I go over this amount I am billed more per unit than the base upto 100 Kilowatt hours over then if I go from 101-300 kilowatts hours over the billing price jumps hight than the 2 previous. And when I go 301-400 over it goes up. They do this up to 600 over I believe. SO I pay .11 cents a kilowatt hour up to 600. Then .13 cents for the next 199 units used and .18 cents for next 100 units. The highest price level is .36 cents per kilowatt hour. To simplify this whole level billing shit I simply get an average price by adding all the per kilowatt hour prices together and then by dividing that number by the total amount of levels there are. Example- .11+.13+.18+.22+.28+.32+.36='s 1.60 Now count the levels which is 7 and divide= 1.60 divided by 7='s .228 or round up to .23cents per kilowatt hour. 2247 x's .23='s $516.81 per month to run all that EQ billed as I am. Now dont freak out at that total as those are not the exact price per unit per level and are just to show as an example.

Thats all for now. If anyone would like to add to this or catch a mistake by me please feel free to jump on in. I'll try and post some electrical terminology definitions and more stuff on wiring tomorrow.

Be safe, canna

A Cannaseur in Training
09-03-2008, 09:02 AM
I was going to go back in to this thread to add a little something I forgot and cant fint the edit button. Am I to believe that there is no option to edit here???

Oh well I was going to say if anyone has any electrical question feel free to post on up. If I dont have an answer I know someone who does.

Be safe all, canna

Edit- Ok even more strange I can edit this post but not the one I started the thread with????????????????

MyDBear
09-03-2008, 09:54 AM
Hey TY sure is nice to have a sparky on board to help out with all your wiring and electrical needs init.

Marco Renda
09-03-2008, 10:05 AM
I was going to go back in to this thread to add a little something I forgot and cant fint the edit button. Am I to believe that there is no option to edit here???

Oh well I was going to say if anyone has any electrical question feel free to post on up. If I dont have an answer I know someone who does.

Be safe all, canna

Edit- Ok even more strange I can edit this post but not the one I started the thread with????????????????

Our EDIT is time sensitive. We were having issues with arguments between members and people were editing their post to make it look as if they were right. So instead of putting up with all the problems we just put a time limit.

Take Care and Peace
Marco

big pappa
09-03-2008, 10:23 AM
This site is awesome!! Love you guys and Sparky keep up the good work. Making this electric post made my day. bp

cannarchist
09-03-2008, 12:26 PM
this is the kind of information I like ... to the point.

Max Toby
09-03-2008, 06:49 PM
Thats awesome, so no more licking my fingers and poking around to find out why my ballasts don't work. Hahaha:D Welcome back.

Peace
Max:cool:

A Cannaseur in Training
09-03-2008, 11:46 PM
WOW:eek: Thanks for the responses. I truely am touched. I have a thread back home like this one with tons more info yet little responses for a time. Now that its been there for a while a member finds it and posts up but its far and few in between. I am not an electrician by trade but did gain my knowlage through on the job training mostly. What I didnt learn there I just taught myself. Got to love the internet.lol

Its been a long day at work so I'll try and get some more info up soon. I did go through this forum and noticed some where I could of helped out in some older posts but didnt want to rehatch some old thread that might have been already fixed so I did this insted.

So hopefully next post will explain Volts,Amps,Watts, Ohms and what resistance is and does.

Be safe, canna

A Cannaseur in Training
09-03-2008, 11:47 PM
This site is awesome!! Love you guys and Sparky keep up the good work. Making this electric post made my day. bp

Well it makes my day know that I helped in some small way to make your day :)

Be safe, canna

grinkeeper
10-03-2008, 07:39 PM
I have read this post three times and still dont understand how a small set up with a 600w ,floros,fans and other stuff can cost over $500 a month in electricity.. My bill isnt no where near that and I am using a bit more power.. whats going on here...

BotanicAL
10-04-2008, 05:00 PM
I have read this post three times and still dont understand how a small set up with a 600w ,floros,fans and other stuff can cost over $500 a month in electricity.. My bill isnt no where near that and I am using a bit more power.. whats going on here...

It all depends on the price you pay per KwHour. I know there are some places in cali that cost 10x what I pay /KwHR. It costs me about 35CAN to run a 600w on 24/7 all month, and it would cost those folks in CA more like 300-350CAN to run the same light. Its all location and your base price. Some places also charge more money for KwH's used in peak periods like the middle of the day. If you use your power during off times like late at night you pay less.

Be safe and hth

AL
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Pistol Pete
10-16-2008, 07:07 AM
A 600 Costs Me £12.00 Per Week @ 12/12
This Is Set To Increase By As Much As 40% In The Very near Future:eek:
So Efficiency Is Going To Be An Issue Brought Up More And More , Thats A Given
It Has Always Puzzled Me That People Do Not Use Solar Powered fans , Pumps , LED Lights , Etc , Etc And Power From Your HPS:confused:
It's Not Like The Technology Is'nt Out There:confused:
Pete:)

Pistol Pete
10-16-2008, 01:50 PM
Sure Lumateks Look Nice And Trendy With Their Anodised Colours And Mock Heat Sink
But Hey, Have A Gander At These Hobby/Industrial Units
Of Course The Poot Style Is The Best ( less Parts To Break )
Sir Chengin:)
Anyways , I'm Sure Many Of You Are Familiar With These Guys:rolleyes: ( Sorry , I'm A Sarcastic bastard At The Best Of Times )http://www.lumluxlighting.com/digital

One 1000 version Can Be Dimmed To 10% Of It's Capacity, Much Like The Older ( Yet Still Uberhttp://www.vb1000.com

I Like My Cannatronics-Delta Old Style Eco ballasts Myself , And Hope One Day To Get The Best Lights Going, These Ones http://www.lifelighttec.com
And /or http://www.liquidlumens.com

Do Enjoy
Sir Chengin

grinkeeper
10-17-2008, 05:18 PM
hey pete those VB1000 look fricken marvy.. whats the price of those?

are you seeing lots of these sevret jardin "DARK ROOMS" IN the uk also..

they have this mamoth unit that looks like homeless persons dream...lolol

Pistol Pete
10-17-2008, 05:21 PM
Heres A Good 500 Images Of Inspiration
Find A Backhoe And Get One :D http://www.grow-go.nl
Pete:)

big pappa
10-17-2008, 05:27 PM
CT, i really appreciate this type of info. As i am going to be constructing a new room. i could use all the help i can get right now. Diagrams of different setups would be real nice. i have never grown indoors. But i must revert from outside due to people jacking my plants.
Any info will be greatlt appreciated. And i will be running a 600 watt metal halide system. And my room is 6 ft. X 9 ft.
Would soiless medium work or something like black gold be better?
i'm on the outside looking in every now and then i check my e-mail and i apologize for not being a chatterbox. big pappa :)

Pistol Pete
11-07-2008, 05:44 AM
These Figures Are Based On The Price Per KWH As Of July This Year

Based On 600 Watt

Lumatek 600 Watt Ballast With Super Lumen Switched Off (634 Watts)
18/6 = £34.24 Per Month
12/12 = £22.82

Lumatek 600 Watt With Super Lumen Switch On ( 681.95 Watts- Extra 7.6% Power Used)
18/6 = £36.83
12/12 = £24.55

600 Watt Magnetic ballast- Brand New ( 722 Watts- Extra Power Consumed 13.9% )
18/6 = £38.99 Per Month
12/12 = £25.99 " "

600 Watt Magnetic Ballast ( 4 Years Old ) ( 825 Watts - +30.1% Extra Power Consumed)
18/6 = £44.55 Per Month
12/12= £29.70

( Based On £0.10 Per KWH )


For A 6X9 Room , One Lamp ( 600 HPS) And A Lightmover Would Be The Most Optimal Set Up, And Also Save Using Two Lamps;)
A Lightmover Costs About £3.00 Per Year To Operate , And Allows For Lower ( Closer) Placement;)
PP

Pistol Pete
11-07-2008, 05:52 AM
As You Can See ; I Have Included This Link In The Past
Two Articles I'd Like You To Look At; 1. The Mindblowing Guide To Growroom Ventilation, Page 16
2. Don't Get Your Fingers Burnt - The Truth About Digi Ballasts
Both These Articles Answer A Number Of Your Questions
Issue#3-2007http://www.urbangardenmagazine.com
BTW ; This Magazine Is Now Available ( Free ) For The North American Market;)
PPz Tipz

Pistol Pete
11-07-2008, 06:13 AM
Yes The New Growboxes;
All The Silver Versions Do Not Contain PVC, And Are Therefore Safer For Your Plants;)
ALL White Reflected Interior Tents ARE PVC ( No Exceptions ) And Emmit Toxins!

Heres A Very Nice Alternative That Is Built From " Hempboard " And Not Recycled Wal Mart Plastic bags http://www.secretgarden.eu

Or http://www.growcabinets.co.uk

Pistol Pete:)

Dr Dog
11-07-2008, 07:53 AM
I have read this post three times and still dont understand how a small set up with a 600w ,floros,fans and other stuff can cost over $500 a month in electricity.. My bill isnt no where near that and I am using a bit more power.. whats going on here...


His math is flawed, other than that good info

I believe he has missed moving the decimal place one point

I run a 1000 w (600 hps and 400 mh) for flowering
have a 85 w vortex fan light cooler
run 2 desk fans, around 25 w a piece
and a 180 cfm exhaust fan, I am not sure what I am running here , label is gone

total change to me electrical bill is like 45 dollars a month

big pappa
11-14-2008, 09:54 AM
morning folks!! To Pistol Pete, i do appreciate the mathwork and letting me know i can get by with one lamp instead of two.
To everyone else i thank you for your imput. This will make it a easier for me, virgin territory ya know. The links are just awesome!!
i am also happy to say i have found a new home. i used to hang on another site but the info given here is the best i've seen. A great and caring group here. Again thanks!! bp