Mr Pains first Grow Log

[Mr Pain]

Not my first grow, just my first hydro.

I will have to recreate the last week. Even though I am a legal patient in the state of michigan I like my privacy. Here is a picture of my nursery/veg room, its built under a 10 foot long work bench.

[Mr Pain]

This is a work bench that I do leaded and stained glass on. here are some pictures of the inside



WAITING ON PICS

[Mr Pain]

ok let me describe what you see in the picture (one with blue water), this is looking in to the right, you see a rectangle flood light which is 100 w MH, I have one on other end also, directly above that light you see a white round thing, its a smoke detector. The thing hanging from the chains and has the cords black and orange on it is three led 225LED grow panels all hooked together. The LEDS are on 24 7, the metal halides are on 24/7 except for the one hour it takes to fill and drain the tank, you can see I have 5 pots in that side these poped above ground on the 14th of Jan. They are G13 X Butterscotch, got them from some one off this board who has a great reputation and years of wisdom, I do beleive me the strain is called Free Leonard, so far 5 out of 23 seeds came up. The left side picture you see the other metal halide hooked to the timer for both of them. The cooler below has rock wool blocks in it that have not sprouted but it stays warm in there, as you can see it is insulated. I need to finish the mylar. under the date you can see three plants these were from bag seed and never had any light, only leds, until the other day when I put the metal halides in. Back in the corner is extra pots and tubing.

[Swampy]

looking good mr Pain :) Those seeds weren't culled at all just scooped from the sack with a 1/2 teaspoon dipper, I'll get more out to you, do you have ventilation in that box? it looks hot

[Mr Pain]

They are both the same thing, they are made to slide under a bed, they have wheels on them and a top that opens from either end. The bottom one has the nutes in it and a pump to pump up to the flood tray. There is a piece of 1/4 inch plywood between the two plastic containers just to give the bottom Reservoir more strength to support the flood tray by equally distributing the weight when the top is full of water and pants. It will hold 21 plants using the black square containers My Reservoir needs 16 gallons to pump 12 minutes and not suck air and get the water level correct. This thing is running on automatic, I look at it a couple times a day everything works great. So the 5 babies which I was afraid to put in the nutes did fine for the last 36 hours, those 5 are only 8 days old, the other three from bag seed I dont have any idea how old, one is 3 inches tall and over 5.5 inches wide with 8 sets of leaves plus the round leaves at the bottom, looks like the dam thing is showing female sex, any way with metal halide on 20 hours a day whe will see what happens. One thing to clear up is the water cycles every 6 hours, four times a day, the Metal Halide is on except for the 4 one hour periods it takes to fill and drain, 15 minutes to fill, 45 to drain back through the pump

[Mr Pain]

looking good mr Pain :) Those seeds weren't culled at all just scooped from the sack with a 1/2 teaspoon dipper, I'll get more out to you, do you have ventilation in that box? it looks hot

Would appreciate the seeds you got my address right? The box doesnt get to hot, its on the basement floor so its staying cool in there, keeping the plants warm, I am going to put some fans in, one to strengthen the plants and the other to vent out warm air.

[Mr Pain]

reference pictures

[Mr Pain]

I wasn't going to take any pictures today or post anything in the grow log, then I remembered the clones I cut yesterday from flowering plants. I have been doing allot of reading on clones and I read one article yesterday I think on this website about how taking cuttings from flowering plants will produce plants with a massive amount of branching, just what you want for a scrog I would think. So I said what the hell I got some flowering females lets try this. I cut them dropped them into water. I got my rock wool cubes and sliced them in half to open like a burger bun. I soaked the rock wool in my rockwool nutes which remove the bad ph from the rockwool and then soaked them in clean water and kinda squeezed em a little. I took the four cuttings and cut off some branches, cut the bottom at 45 underwater then dipped them into rooting powder (the portion going into rock wool) and then opened my rockwool buns and put the cutting in, closed the bun and pushed the whole thing into a cup, I used b4 for previous seedling starts. I misted all of them and put them in my hydro cabinet under the middle of the leds, but they still get light from the MH also. Last night one of them looked like it was dead and I said that was fast. I look this morning and all four are standing at attention with perky leaves (sounds like porno), I go get my camera and you can see the results. Also I took pictures of the 5 Free Leonards and the three other bag seed plants that I had in the hydro from the start with only LEDs thus creating my bonsai plants anyway the three bonsai plants are taking off, I think its the addition of the metal halides on each end. Today I am going to install a fan to keep air moving and building the strength of the stalks some what. I think when I my Free Leonards are 12" they are going in the flower chamber in a pvc/2 liter pop bottle setup under a scrog frame, so see how I will be bending and tying down these I dont want the stalk real stiff and the scrog frame will support the weight of the buds anyway..............Sound like a plan?

Now for the pictures

[Mr Pain]

looking good, had to do surgery yesterday and cut away the part of the rock wool cubes that were turning green, pre algae slime big time, wast slimy yet just green but its all gone now

[Mr Pain]

I put four air lines into my reservoir tank today, keeps the water circulating and that funky film from developing, spray painted the outside of the flood tray to keep light out

will attach bud pic for your viewing pleasure

[Mr Pain]

I got all the pictures day by day. I have been building a new set up, the pvc pipe with the upside down pop bottles. This will cut out all light from my nute solution which is a on going battle in a flood and drain tray system. Live and learn, (get better and learn what not to do). So I will up date all the pics when I finish this new set up and transfer my plants under it. Got to resize to post in this update, back in a few with a edit

back with the pictures

[Mr Pain]

here you go, this will keep me from fighting light which causes algae

[Mr Pain]

if you dont understand the previous pictures

[Tank]

This is a very interesting set up..But I wonder...How are you going to keep the massive roots from choking your system??

[Mr Pain]

hope that does not happen, I am also thinking about running a airline into each container. Present container is 1 quart, I can double that size and put a upside 2 quart bottle on it. The entire bottom is going to be 1 or more large pieces of rock wool that should keep the roots from going down hthe water line, plus the psi of the running water push the roots back into the container and if I add a air line into each,it would be like kinda of like a 11 bucket DWC system

[Tank]

Again interesting.. Please take the time to make updates as this project comes along..
Tho I'm still envisioning roots going down the lines.. rockwool or no. Cool project hope it works out well for you. peace Tank

[Mr Pain]

Again interesting.. Please take the time to make updates as this project comes along..
Tho I'm still envisioning roots going down the lines.. rockwool or no. Cool project hope it works out well for you. peace Tank


Well there are two holes going to be drilled in the top one for a air line, will be very tight fit the other line is water in/out, I can put a screen down there, do ya think if there is constant air blowing in thru the bottom along with water, then when the water drains the air will still be pumping in. Im hopin I dont have that problem, shit I can unscrew the bottle at anytime and cut roots off if I need to. Im hoping a screen will do the job.

Update on the grow, I have some new FL seeds and germinated them and there going into rockwool tomorrow, I did 12 and when I unrolled the dish towel about half had sprouted tails, so hopefully will get a good scrog grow of free Leonard. Picked up a 1000W Digital switchable ballast and sun grow hood. I put it in my room where my budding plants are and we shall see how those plants react, going from a 400w hps and some small kicker hps, when she first lit up I had to go and check that it was a hps and not a MH because there is no hps yellow tint---its more like florida sun. Holy smokes:eek:

[Tank]

You could trim the roots but watch for them going into shock from it.I've found you can trim roots but do so at a early stage / age.. Hope to see more pictures as this comes along....Heck you may convert me yet.I use dwc..

[Mr Pain]

well I got 7 new FL Sprouts to go with my other free leonard which are about 3.5 weeks now, now we can get down to business!

[Mr Pain]

10 out of 12 seeds pop'd little green heads out of the rock wool. They were all transferred into hydro setup where they will live till the first of march and then I hope to start them 12/12 in a scrog. I topped the original 5 and did a little other trimming to those 5. Got to let the new guys catch up. Just about got the bottle pvc setup done, I just have to run the air lines. in retrospect it would have been easier to do that earlier in the process than now, thats what happens when your a buzzbee

[Mr Pain]

I ran out of air line, I went thru 40'. I have to run three more lines, each bottle has a air line (with stone in future) coming into it thru the pvc and the bottle lid which is pvc cemented in place. The PVC Primer and Glue work well on the tops to the juice jugs.

Anyways the Plan is to flower all the female free leonards in the flowering chamber using this system and a scrog grow.

[Mr Pain]

I suggest you run the air lines b4 u glue the SOB together

[Mr Pain]

I decided it was time to clean the nute tank and fill it up with fresh stuff, dam what a job it turned out to be. Anyway here are some pictures the big plants are the original 5 free leonards and the rest are ten other free leonards.

When my buds finish about two more weeks I think, they are still making white hairs and as long as white hairs are growing new, the buds are growing., I am moving all this into the flower room and put a 1000k MH over them. I love the switchable ballast. I Just hope my gallons to nute ratio is right. I dont have a PPM Meter I ordered one but havnt got it yet. Hope my plants dont OD on new nutes :eek:

[Mr Pain]

the octopus comes to life. I have allot to update but thought I would start with this picture.

[Mr Pain]

Ok lets see there are 11 plants in the octopus, all Free Leonard. FL1 thru FL5 were born on 1/2/09 while FL6 thru FL11 were born on 2/9/09 5 weeks later. So Ive been growing these in the nursery Ive cut FL1-5 back twice and will probably do it one more time to let #6-11 catch up. They were grown in a fill and drain system under 250W of MH. They have outgrown the under workbench in the start of this thread. They are now in the octopus :D which I built it is pretty much a fill and drain system. The advantages over the original setup is a few. 1) Less nutes. my old system required 16 gallons in the reservoir tank, it took 8 gallons and 16 minutes of pumping to fill the flood tray and about 45 minutes to drain, with another 8 gallons to keep the pump under water which required a total of 16 gallons of nutes mixed minimum. The new system takes two gallons to fill the upper level and I keep a total of 8 in the reservoir to keep the pump under water. 2) easy access to the nutes for testing and adding, anything I want to add I pour into the overflow vent, it goes strait to the tank. I can take water samples throug a access hole in the lid which is what the overflow tube goes thru. There are many more I will think of. I am using the same nutes. The octupus and its plants are now in another room under 1000 Watts. Timer for nutes is every three hours they get feed, same as other setup. Everything is the same except the container and room and light. I will attach some pictures, the first one is a plant after half its roots have been ripped off, The problem was the piece of rockwool I used was way to big for the round one quart bottles. It scared me to do this but it didnt hurt the plants its been 6 days and they are doing great

[Mr Pain]

I Removed the plants from the 5 1/2" square pots, removed the large piece of rock wool and all hydroton (picture above)

the picture below shows the octopus with the overflow pipe installed and a reflective curtain I made TO KEEP 1000W OF LIGHT FROM SHINNING ON MY NUTE TANK

[Mr Pain]

the first picture 4 airs tones and two pumps, one to circulate the water in the tank and the other to pump up to the plants

The second pick is the best pic of the contraption.

The third shows looking down into a plant container, you look good wnough you can see the inlet/outlet hole and a airstone through the screen. I put three inches of hydroton on top of the screen and then put the roots and plants in and filled to the top with hydroton

[Mr Pain]

under 1k of lights. Yes I know a MH would be better than a HPS but I aint got $100 2day, just cost me a pretty penny at the vet to have my 13.5 yoa dog put down yesterday :(

[oddjobs]

:) First off ,sorry ta hear about your friend ,we love our pets .Man you got it goin on .I finally see where you been going with this set-up .Simply amazing what people can do. Just 1 question on the airline to each position ? Does air pump in constantly or just while feeding is happening. Your plants are looking good also.Keep us up one your thread you have my interest:D oj

[Tank]

Sorry about your dog Mr Pain.. truely sorry. But I am glad this system is working out so well for you.. Sorry about doubting it in the 1st place.. Please keep up with the pictures..

[Mr Pain]

3 out of the 1st 5 were male, but I took some good clones so I will have a nice mother to do this from now on. As far as the air lines, actually not hooked up to pumps right now. This is nice after I cut out the three males and was able to unscrew the bottles and move them around to get them better light

[Mr Pain]

Sorry about doubting it in the 1st place.. Please keep up with the pictures..

you were right, after I killed the three males I unscrewed some plants and moved them around and just like you said roots hanging out the bottom, about 6 roots each bottle, they got snipped and the plants got screwed back into the system.

And as far as the air lines and airstones, well after I saw how fast this thing drains by gravity through a 1" pipe they are not under water long enough to need air, I think about 4 minutes tops, good thing they get feed 8 times a day

[Mr Pain]

if you wanted more time under water for your roots then you could install a check valve so the water couldnt run back out the way it came in, but this would require another pump to return the nutes to their tank at some point in time controlled by another timer.

I have three timers one on each: 1000W Light/Fans/Pumps (air and water)
one window box fan suspended from ceiling pointed down
two 115v computer cooling fans, one to the light hood and one to the input on the ballast
two air pumps for four stones in the nute tank
two water pumps in the nute tank, one just for circulation, the other to the plants

I think thats it, TANK how much crap for your DWC?

[Tank]

I have three timers one on each: 1000W Light/Fans/Pumps (air and water)
one window box fan suspended from ceiling pointed down
two 115v computer cooling fans, one to the light hood and one to the input on the ballast
two air pumps for four stones in the nute tank
two water pumps in the nute tank, one just for circulation, the other to the plants

I think thats it, TANK how much crap for your DWC?

1- 4 gal bucket 1-5" net pot 1- 6" airstone 1- 5 gal fish tank air pump 2-400w HPS lamps

I use the K.I.S.S method mainly because I'm a moron..

[Mr Pain]

how many do you run at a time?

[Tank]

Depends..but currently I have 7 going...

[Mr Pain]

pics at http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=227362#post227362

[oddjobs]

Like The Dr said maybe a cat or dog tastin an maybe markin ther teritory [the burn]? Hope ya figger it out:confused: oj P.S. set a couple mouse traps ,they like pot too

[Mr Pain]

I would have thought the rock wool and hydroton would have kept the plant roots wet....................OK so yesterday I drained the nute tank and washed it out. Bought distilled water to refill, no intention of using nutes at this time. My tap water is at 400 ppm after sitting more than 24 hours, the distilled is at 0 ppm. I didnt add the water yesterday, this morning I get up and go look at my plants (the 1000 watt light was on for 3 hours already) The biggest bushiest female which is to the right of the blue funnel was all wilted over, I immediately new it was baked and starving for a drink. I uncapped the distilled water and poured into the plant from the top. Watched the rest of tombstone (kilmer and kurt russel) Two hours later nice and perky. I added all 6 gallons of distilled and turned my pumps on, the pump that fills the system wasn't pumping. I took it out and found it was sucking air, fixed that tried again, still no water going into system. pulled hose apart at fitting and it started pumping, must of been a air lock? Works now, so now I have to wonder if it was getting water to the plants b4? Anyway got the 1000 w turned off and plants under LED lights for today while plants recoup with clean water. Put three clones into the system, I know for sure I have 7 out of 11 females.

I wonder will a Britta pitcher filter take those 400 ppm out of my tap water? I am keeping a log now of all my measurements and everything else.

Live and Learn! Life is one big lesson, when you know everything you die, That just sucks!

[Mr Pain]

All is well got 11 females of three diff stages, oldest plants are ready to go into scrog net which I have to make, shorter plants in the middle and shortest in the front...........gonna be a good grow. The three clones I put into the system did good but one looks like its drying up didnt have enough roots I guess, oh well Ive got six more clones off my biggest female, probally take up north and plant on my property mid April. Time to start some more seedlings think maybe some Medijuana (http://www.amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com/product_info.php?id=n1048938722117735255813889&currency=49&product_id=56&action=show_product)and some silver haze

[Mr Pain]

Moved the tallest to the back and middle height in the middle, short up front, only had to shift three plants. Had to add two gallons this morning the little bugger are thirsty, didnt know my water was low tell I heard the pump sukin air

See the sick plant link in this grow log for some interesting discussion on root cutting, and add into it if you have any input

I got to get a scrog screen up ASAP

[Mr Pain]

plants were under 15 hours 1000w now I set to 12 hours, why not, they auto flowered maybe my root cutting caused it..................so is this good or bad, we will wait and see but its funny as hell the babies (clones) in this system started flowering the same dam time as their mother, and I havnt cut their roots? But its neat to see flowering on such a small plant. I got 6 other clones in the nursery that I took the same day I cut the roots, they are to small yet to see if they are flowering..........................I love this crap you learn something new every day! see the new pics

[Mr Pain]

The tall plants in the back are tied down and you cant see in the overall garden pic, the 2nd pic is a tied down branch

[Mr Pain]

pics say it all

net is 3.5' x 5 ' two inch rope squares, buds filling in the holes.
I took one of the middle age plants out and both the clones out. So there are 8 plants under the net
under 100 watts

note dont type in dark , to many edits

[Mr Pain]

The clones I gave him are not flowering or even showing sex, he has them in bubblers, their main stalk is 3X bigger than mine. I'm sold next crop all DWC, but hes only running 600 W. Swampy tells me that this strain will flower in July when there is 15 hours of light, so maybe all is norm. My bud just switched his to 12/12. I got some nice clones from him, some super skunk from a previous crop of mine (I gave him clones and now he has given clones back) Same plant CLONING IS WAY COOL!, I also took some clones from his black dominican and dutch nebula. He has some silver haze also but the plant needs to get bigger before I will cut from it. LIFE IS GOOD Ive Been lucky I am running 99% I lost one because I moved it into the octupus to soon. I have 12 clones total all in their own green house

[Mr Pain]

help me out here Tank! I need another mentor besides Swampy! My brain is like a sponge,

sure soaks allot of thc up :D :D :D :D

[DoobieDuck]

Mr. Pain..a picture does say it all. Looks to me like your'e going to be very satisfied soon. Those look great. My only suggestion is that since they are this far along you might want to drop your screen/net a little and feed some of the main tops up through it a couple inches. Your grow though..DD

[Mr Pain]

Mr. Pain..a picture does say it all. Looks to me like your'e going to be very satisfied soon. Those look great. My only suggestion is that since they are this far along you might want to drop your screen/net a little and feed some of the main tops up through it a couple inches. Your grow though..DD

I cant drop the screen the room is cinder block, I had to drill holes in the concrete seams and use special screws whats done is done. I thought you were supposed to bend the plants under the net to grow kinda sideways and let bud sites through

[DoobieDuck]

Yes..you can bend them sideways. That is just what I do and I do not use a screen. I top my plants early so they have about 6 tops and tie each top down as it grows thus having 6 horizontal branchs with bud sites on it. I very seldome need any help keeping them up right as they grow,..with a good fan on them, strong enough. Support is not necessary. Good luck ..looks good so far..DD

[Mr Pain]

yes I know the date stamp on my camera is one month ahead

The 4 plants in the front are almost ready to start coming through, while the back row of 3 plants continues to fill the open spots. 4 weeks difference in age of the plants

[jb247]

Nice job, Mr. Pain. They are all coming along nicely, very healthy looking grow. Keep 'em green, buddy...

Peace...j.b.

[Mr Pain]

enjoy, building a new bubbler for the nursery, will hold 14 plants

[Mr Pain]

In the nursery I have my new bubbler (http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=29903&d=1239462341) up and going, and I will put up some new bud shots

[DoobieDuck]

Looks great Mr Pain....DD

[Mr Pain]

I Raised the whole system about 4 inches which was easier then lowering the board frame. When the buds flip upright and start heading for the light its gonna look cool, the overall picture doesnt do it justice

[Mr Pain]

enjoy the budshots

[Mr Pain]

Tell me how to setup a DWC your way.......what nutes do you use

[DoobieDuck]

Hey mr. pain..just popped in to see those new pix...very nice indeed....DD

[Mr Pain]

Hey mr. pain..just popped in to see those new pix...very nice indeed....DD


Harvested 3 last week and 5 yesterday. Super weed, strongest I had in a long long time, I can see how swampy hallucinated on this, stuff. I did also, just weak hallucinations but still!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to cut it down buds mixed with leaves or I get to wasted and hallucinate. ALL I can say is wow. Total yeied sucked about 6 oz total, but when its this strong that will last me along time................I got 8 clones to start into a DWC, soon as I move into my new house. Here is some bud! (http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=30117&d=1241094494)

[Swampy]

Great pics Mr. Pain :D glad you like it