illegally searched

[Causeway]

Cops did this to me yesterday.

[Spawnof84]

Where? How? When? Why?

[1JoeSky_IVXX]

???????????????? and again ????????????

[Causeway]

I spent the night in jail because i had a knife in my possesion :(

[Spawnof84]

Why did the fuzz search you in the first place?

[1JoeSky_IVXX]

Damn, what a crock! Are we living in a police state or what??!!??

[Causeway]

I didn't do anything wrong!! :mad:

[Causeway]

Hanging around a bunch a white kids and being Asian attracts attention for whatever reason :(

[Causeway]

Here's the story.


I was chillin at a skatepark and a cop approached me and started asking if i was a gang member.I was like WTF what is that supposed to mean?!?!!?!Then he began to search my pockets (illegally i might add) and he found a butterfly knife and a dime bag....I got charged with possesion of class D and carrying a knife.
Thats fucking bullshit!!!!!

[pflover]

please tell me you have contacted a layer..... you should get off, too bad you won't get an appology tho.

[Green Medicine]

Are butterfly knives illegal where you live? Are you allowed to carry a concealed weapon? In all 50 states a LEO may pat you down for weapons when having contact with the public if they believe they might risk injury at your hands (of course they always do).

Unfortunately, you DID do something illegal.....the concealed and illegal weapon and the illegal meds....

And I'm very sorry that this happened to you......but it is the law till it is changed. :(

[Dentyne]

Yea, Butterfly knives are illegal! But, I think if the blade was shorter than 5 cm, then it is not concidered a weapon - just like a pocket knife. Because many people play with butterfly knives and do tricks - You can still get them confiscated, but if they are under 5 cm I don't think you can get charged.

In my area there was a gang fight about 2 days earlier, and my friends and I were playing with Airsoft guns in the abandoned park - which to any cop driving by looks like a gang fight - so when we got swarmed by the cops they had us all lie down and they searched us on the floor and three of us had butterfly knives. Long Story short, they confiscated the guns and knives but no charges, they just wrote down our names. One of the guys I was with has had 4 knives confiscated because the blades are too short to get charged.

[Buffalo Bill]

Carrying a butterfly knife for any reason is a bad deal and if you risk that, you risk getting arrested. Is there any particular reason that you carry it? If you are not a gang member, why in the hell would you want to carry one? Please don't say, protection, because that just doesn't fly. If you hang out in places that you feel a need to carry it for protection, then you are hanging out in the wrong places. I am sorry that the cops got ya, but hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson. A tough way to learn, but...... Take care and be well....Carrying knives is just plain BS and it sounds like a bunch of wannabes to me. One guy carrying 4 knives, Dentyne? Bad deal......

[kidzag]

I used to carry one when I was a 14 year old healthy recreational.....um I mean med user. ;)

[nuevogro]

I carry a knife at all times when out of the house. Has nothing to do with self defense or offense though. I use knives when at work to open packages, cut tie wraps, or whatever. When eating I use the same knife (cleaned of course) for cutting fruits, vegetables, or whatever.

In Los Angeles there are anti-knife laws that the police don't understand, which don't make my knife illegal unless I brandish or display it in an offensive manner. Most police don't understand such details of the law and just assume it's illegal and confiscate the knives - ask for a receipt and you can get it back though. Butterfly knives are a whole other issue, as they are incorrectly categorized as automatic knives like switchblades and gravity knives, and a good expert witness can clarify that and generally get charges dropped. http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/expa1199.htm

I don't see a need for 4 knives in your pockets though. ;)

[Causeway]

I carry a knife all the time,as a matter of fact i put a new butterfly knife in my backpack today.I'm not allowed by law to carry a concealed weapon on my at any time....except if i'm working or transporting it.

[Causeway]

Carrying a butterfly knife for any reason is a bad deal and if you risk that, you risk getting arrested. Is there any particular reason that you carry it? If you are not a gang member, why in the hell would you want to carry one? Please don't say, protection, because that just doesn't fly. If you hang out in places that you feel a need to carry it for protection, then you are hanging out in the wrong places. I am sorry that the cops got ya, but hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson. A tough way to learn, but...... Take care and be well....Carrying knives is just plain BS and it sounds like a bunch of wannabes to me. One guy carrying 4 knives, Dentyne? Bad deal......


Buffalo Bill you don't live where i live.
Incase you didn't know there are plenty of places where you can get mugged or robbed at any given time.
I don't carry a knife for protection nor am i looking to kill someone.It's not that..The fact that sombody likes knives dosen't mean that they shouldn't carry oone despite knife laws.

[kshue420]

well i'm sorry to here that it got taken away.
If you do live in a bad part of town & have guns (soft pellett or not) the police prob saw you as a poss danger & by law the would have the right to stop you (poss b&e, robbery, mugging)might have happend near by & you might fir a poss discrption.
If you were looking for a place to play why not checkout paintball (at a painball place).
& if you still carry the knifes on you for fun than you are asking for trouble.
just my personal 2 cents worth

[iggysplat]

My son started his knife collection when he was 8. We allowed him to carry 1 knife with a blade no longer than 3 inches. I carry a knife with a blade no longer than 3 inches. His collections sits at home on display. For real legal protection there is nothing like a sturdy leather belt with a nice heavy buckle. Lose the illegal butterfly knife and by a belt..just my 2 cents.

[Causeway]

what happend?

[Green Medicine]

I don't carry a knife for protection nor am i looking to kill someone.

It's not that..

The fact that sombody likes knives dosen't mean that they shouldn't carry oone despite knife laws.

Jails are full of people that think the same way. If you can't handle the responsibility of being an adult with a butterfly knife....maybe you shouldn't have one?

I'm not being mean.....I think you might not be seeing how your responses look.

I wish I could carry a HK MP5 submachine gun....Oh I don't care if it's illegal machine gun..I'm cool enough. I NEED a machine gun. Just for fun of course.
I would never hurt anyone....!

Some people say "I was wrong, I goofed up" and some say "damn cops and laws! I wanna butterfly knife and I'm responsible enought to have one...even though I don't need one, ain't gonna use it, it's illegal and I'm acting like an adult."

They have a special place for great thinkers like that...trust me you don't want to go there....say hi to bubba as he kisses you goodnight.

[iggysplat]

GM you are killing me..LMAO..bubba

[Causeway]

shut up...

[bigman]

what about our 2nd admendment right to keep and hold arms? it has NOTHING to do with hunting and all to do with protecting yourself.

If EVERYONE was required by law to carry a weapon 24/7 then shootings would be a thing of the past. How far would those maniacs @ Columbine have gotten if every teacher was a legal/trained carrier of a hand gun?

with weapons we are citizens, without them we are subjects!

on a side note, i do not own any weapon that is historically seen as a self-defense tool, but I reserve the right to get one and use it when apropriate.

[Daemonic]

The right to bear (sp?) arms has nothing to do with carrying concealed weapons...

[bigman]

the second amendment doesn't say the "right to bear visible arms"

altho, keeping it visible makes more sense (more effective deterant if they see it)

(note: i'm sure i mis-spelled bear too, thats why i wrote 'hold' lol)

[WongBong]

Is the point here being able to have something concealed on you, or is the point of being illegally searched, and that leading to negative consequences?

Things people find cool are usually dangerous, dangerous things are usually illegal, illegal things are usually popular and high in demand, and when found are usually confiscated. Boooooo.

Shitty deal, Causeway, better luck with the inconspicousness next time.

[billybob]

They do have to right to a "stop and frisk" for weapons, but if the knife was under 5 inches, there's no charge for that and they can only keep the dime. Go to court, plead not guilty and let your public defender earn his wage.

[anonymous]

They do have to right to a "stop and frisk" for weapons, but if the knife was under 5 inches, there's no charge for that and they can only keep the dime. Go to court, plead not guilty and let your public defender earn his wage.


wouldnt this depend on what Countrie you live in i know this law apply's to the U.S. but i dont know if its the same else were...???

[zardoz]

what about our 2nd admendment right to keep and hold arms? it has NOTHING to do with hunting and all to do with protecting yourself.

If EVERYONE was required by law to carry a weapon 24/7 then shootings would be a thing of the past. How far would those maniacs @ Columbine have gotten if every teacher was a legal/trained carrier of a hand gun?

with weapons we are citizens, without them we are subjects!

on a side note, i do not own any weapon that is historically seen as a self-defense tool, but I reserve the right to get one and use it when apropriate.

I gotta tell ya I think this theory is pure straight up BS! ...."If EVERYONE was required by law to carry a weapon 24/7 then shootings would be a thing of the past. How far would those maniacs @ Columbine have gotten if every teacher was a legal/trained carrier of a hand gun?"

Following that logic you very quickly find yourself involved in a whole raft of NEW issues.. how big is too big?.. can it be a full auto weapon? or does it need to be a .38 special with a 6 inch barrel? how about a hand grenade?

I KNOW that my neighbour is a real dink... I figure he is going to do something pretty stupid one of these days... maybe I should get me a M72 ( http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm ) I mean the guy DOES have a big tractor and he HAS threatened to knock my grow room down by "accident" ... I'm dam good with the M72! (I am too... that's no lie, every single time I've used one I have scored "dissabling" hits on target range vehicles) So maybe I should get one "just for protection"....

No... I'm afraid the ONLY time I will agree with "a gun in every household" is when ALL guns are "biometrically activated", that is to say.. only the REGISTERED owner can fire the weapon.. this is accomplished through a variety of security features built into the weapon that can NOT be over ridden. The REGISTERED weapon will also be "pre-fired" at point of sale and the slug is then collected so that a data bank of ballistics can be used to "without question" quickly ID the shooter.

I have owned and carried a WIDE variety of guns, Unicorn and I at one time were both "licsenced to carry" Uni scored a 96% on her target test.. I scored a 98%. Uni and I both carried "Rossi" stainless steel 38's in "Boss breakfront holsters". I've used browning 9 mil's (best way to hurt someone with a browning 9mil is to throw it at them ;) ), the Glock ( I like this gun.. even if it is a single action) the FNC1, C2, C7, the C9. I was even in the army when we still had that piece of CRAP "SMG" (missfiring.. uncontollable piece of @#%^&%) I've "rocked the house!" with a 50 cal, carrier mounted gun.. I've tossed C13 grenades till my arm HURT (at $75.00 a pop to the taxpayer) I've yanked the chord on an M109 artillery piece (various times.. with various "payloads") I've felt the "Whoosh" of a Carl G going off on my shoulder as the round SCREAMS out to it's target ( BACKBLAST AREA CLEAR! ... CLEAR! ).

What I have come to realize is that gun's are DANGEROUS! They serve only one REAL purpose... the army calls it "KILLING" the cops and security forces call it "to take charge of the sittuation". Either way you look at it... when shots are fired.. someone is very likely to be DEAD when the smoke clears :(

Arming the world will only result in the faster anhillation of the human race IMHO

I have to point out that the US constitution you are relying on is being "tinkered with" on a seemingly regular basis, it is being manipulated to suit the governments needs.. not YOUR needs :( Here is a thread I started regarding the first amendment and how the government just might be able to use it against YOU.

http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3621

In the second amendment I find this "The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of ''civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.'' It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that ''comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,'' who, ''when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.''6 Therefore, ''[i]n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well- regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."
This was drawn from this reference http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/

I would like to know when the last time the second amendment was put into force... OTHER than to use it as a loophole for killing some sod?

Gord

[billybob]

My post was stating US laws, im not sure about Canada or else where. The stop and frisk is generally miss used by police. Its only to be used if the officer believes that the suspect poses a risk but it is generally just used as an excuse to look for possible charges. Most people that do get caught with something, get caught with something small, take the fine and no one is the wiser. If you plead not guilty at your pre-trail hearing and go to trial for it, even a first year public defender will be able to get the charges dropped on unlawful search grounds.

[groo]

If you plead not guilty at your pre-trail hearing and go to trial for it, even a first year public defender will be able to get the charges dropped on unlawful search grounds.

Don't be surprised if the DA decides to push back if you try for a summary dismissal based on unlawful search.

No matter whether a real "gang" is involved, the officer and the DA will very likely mention the presence of several people skateboarding and likely being loud/rowdy (compared to people just out for a walk/jog.) From there they'll draw the conclusion that some of them appeared intoxicated, and that they had reason to be concerned about possible drug-dealing and potential weapons being carried by any dealers.

All the officer and his lawyer have to prove is that they had reasonable cause for a search, and I know of far too many cases in Florida and elsewhere that considered such searches justified just because a number of people had gathered and were being too loud for "normal" behavior. One of my neighbours kids had to plea bargain a possession charge because of just such a search, even though he and his buddies were just sitting on the fence and BS'ing as many people do.

[U4Euh]

www.prisonplanet.com

[Randall]

Time to set up underground railroad to Canada(again).If we can't straighten out our government(Can),I'll go under too.

[billybob]

One of these days some government will get it right