Unrooted clone storage?

[jb247]

I have a dilemma and hope the kind folks here can help me out. I am under a 12 plant limit, and anything with roots is counted. Because we are relatively new to the medical scene here in Michigan, many of my newer friends are in need of quality genetics to get themselves going. I am trying to provide some of that, but because I am also involved in hosting a local compassion club, I feel that I may be more exposed than the average med/user. So, if I can discover a way to keep clones available, without having any roots I should be able to keep within my 12 plant count and assist the community. Anyone out there who can tell me of some way to accomplish this feat? Your help will certainly be appreciated by all involved...

Thank you all in advance...

Peace...j.b.

[hashimoto]

Only thing I can suggest is to give them away before they root. Keep em for 5-7 days, just before most'll root.

[pflover]

cuttings that are rapped in moist papertowel, placed in a ziplock and kept in a veggie krisper can be put in to a state of stasis for a while, as much as a week but after that the start to loose vigour and the ability to produces roots upon being subjected to sutable rooting conditions. during the process of making clones out of them care must be taken not to expose the ones yet to be clone to too much drying air of they quickly wilt.

[Cannabishop]

One of the best ways to maintain clones and never be over your limit is to clone ON THE PLANT. This method only works with rockwool as the cloning medium (this is the point where all the MacGyver's chime and devulge the more economic options).

It also works best when you are not using the top of the plant. Using side branches with at least two flowering nodes above is the best method. As well try to take your clones from the lower part of the plant as it has more rooting hormones than the top of the plant.

Do not use soil pucks!!!

Here is how you do it and I will post some pics as soon as I take some:

Select your clone CUT location (this is the spot that you would cut it from the plant and put into rockwool)
Instead of cutting the plant you need to lightly scrape the outer layer of the plant away from the branch to expose the cambium layer. Make sure you expose at least one inch of cambium layer for the best results. The cambium layer of the plant will generate the new roots for the clone while still keeping it on the branch
Wrap the scored section of the plant in pre(my dash doesn't work anymore)soaked rockwool and attach with a twist tie. Wrap the rockwool in tinfoil that has been rinsed with 35% hydrogen peroxide. Do not wrap the tinfoil too tight as you want some space for root expansion.
Approximately 5 to 10 days later you can check to see what type of root growth you have and decide to clip the clone or not.
When cutting the clone from the branch, make sure you cut at least a 1/4" below the roots.
Transplant according to your preferences and you are good to go.None of the clones are detached from the plant even though they have roots. The plant has a seriously messed up root system (some under the dirt and some above), but the are all still attached to the plant.

Caveat!!!!!! I wouldn't try to do clone more than 25% of the branches at one time and I would also leave at least 2 weeks in between harvesting the clones and trying to start another group.

That's my 2 cents,
Jimmy

[Diskrete]

Alright I am really really baked right now, but that is effin crazy! cloning on the plant, this could help a shit load of people to stay under their limit, thanks for posting that.

[S_a_H]

Yeah Mr A. on Icmag told me about this before.

He scraps the place where you want to take the cutting from and applies the cloning gel to that spot and just wait until you see roots and then make your cut.

S_a_H

[jb247]

You folks are too cool...some great suggestions here and I will utilize them all to see what works best for me...gonna have to buy some rockwool cubes...this won't work using rapid rooters? I'll get the rockwool and give both methods a go and play with it a bit. Thank you all for helping me out...I love this community.

Peace...j.b.

[Richi420]

Cloning on the plant is called air-layering, and it works great. You can use peat moss, coco coir not just rockwool. I find by doing air layering there is less stress put on the cuttings and on the mother too. Peace

[Bhamsmoker]

Great info!! Learn something new everyday!!

[RatherBBurnin]

Mr.Barefrog has perfected the air layering.... and here is how he did it... call credit to barefrog.

Go to the dollar store and get the daily pill containers... they have flips that pop open... he then cuts holes in either side of the container... to slide the branch in one side..out the other... he scrapes away the part of the branch inside the pill container.. adds moist peat...closes the flap.. making it sealed... and waits until you can see roots growing inside the pill container... then you cut the plant below the pill container, remove the pill container..and transplant...

Ill try to get a pic of the pill container im talking about..

Cheers
RBB

[grinkeeper]

fantastic idea, something I have never seen before but I will try this for sure...thanks for the amazing posts on this thread..

[sevens]

this is one thing that i did a very long time ago and it did work great ..just small difference is that i did wrap saran wrap on top and bottom of rockwell twist tie and forget about it ...less than 10 days later roots ..they advantage of this method i think is for the size of the air cutting you can take myself i did some up to 10 inchs tall with many small branchs .....i had forgot about this ...thank very good info ....memory ...peace ...7...:)

[Swampy]

I tried it unsuccessfully 30 years ago(didn't keep it moist enough) and forgot all about air-layering but since I'm under the 12 plants per patient limit also I will try it again. Oh man it would really work great for helping others get started thanks for asking JB and of xcourse thanks for the answers everyone :D

[Neal]

I have done this with great success with house plants using peat moss and saran wrap with twist ties. Never thought about trying it with cannabis though. Great idea!
Neal.

[cannarchist]

This is awesome ... i am going to give it a try ... we too are on a small limit and this could help too :)

[jb247]

Yeppers, this method should be exactly what I needed. You guys are great!

Peace...j.b.

[Cannabishop]

Mr.Barefrog has perfected the air layering.... and here is how he did it... call credit to barefrog.

Go to the dollar store and get the daily pill containers... they have flips that pop open... he then cuts holes in either side of the container... to slide the branch in one side..out the other... he scrapes away the part of the branch inside the pill container.. adds moist peat...closes the flap.. making it sealed... and waits until you can see roots growing inside the pill container... then you cut the plant below the pill container, remove the pill container..and transplant...

Ill try to get a pic of the pill container im talking about..

Cheers
RBB

Ok that shit is MacGyver!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told you someone would freak us all out with a better and cheaper method. I love it. A marijuana plant with little daily pill capsule containers all over it. Seems anti and pro pharma all at the same time.

I an totally gonna try that!!! Oh and thanks for telling me the real name of the process.

Peace,
Jimmy

[cannarchist]

would still like a pic of the exact pill container you use before I go get any :)

[cannarchist]

another question: when taking a cutting, the plant will go through a healing period ... will rooting side branches effect vegetative growth, while they are being rooted?

[Cannabishop]

As with almost anything you do to a plant there is some stress as a result.

The effect is moderate as it pertains to air layering.

As for additional energy, not in my experience. The plant just thinks it's making more roots to survive.

Even when cutting the clone off the plant it seems to heal faster and suffer less stress than traditional cloning.

I recommend trying it once on a strong, healthy mother. I also prefer the tinfoil over plastic wrap for it's reflectivity and because it keeps the roots dark.

I will have some pics by Friday of how to do it and what the results are.

Peace,
Jimmy

[Kubefuism]

This thread is amazing... You can never stop learning. I just want to thank everyone for coming here and sharing their minds.

[RatherBBurnin]

Ok guys...these are the container i was talking about..you can get them at the dollar store 7 for $1... what you are going to do.. is cut it in half so you have one fully sealable side... youll see what i mean when you get one..... then you gotta cut holes in the sides and cut out the divider in the middle.... then you can easily just fill it full of peat...and then snap shut the lid... i dont have one that is already cut up... but theres one im using for seeds to give an idea...


Check it out..
Cheers
RBB

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[Swampy]

I cut alot of bottom branches for clones and just to get rid of the mess sometimes and it just seems to make the top branches grow, in fact I recomend chopping all the dead stuff off the bottom, has anyone tried uplighting to solve this problem(dead stuff on the bottom)? :D
I remember now and when I tried air layering I don't think I cut off leafs and put a node in the dirt covered stalk or scraped the stem even.