?does ROUND-UP vs. MJ = NO CORN FEILDS?

[grinkeeper]

Questions about GMO [GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISM ] crops and the effects on guerrilla gardeners.

With all the talk about MONSANTO and there seed cartel , I have started to think about a few things.

Well firstly 80% of corn crops in north America are whats called ROUND-UP ready strains. So the corn that is growing can with stand heavy spraying of the herbicide ROUND-UP due to the Genetic modification of the seeds by MONSANTO CORP. The end result is that the corn can grow with out the competing weeds taking space light and water.

this brings up so many questions like how much Round-up are we eating ,What are the effects of GMO FOODS and many more ethic and health concerns. But thats not my many topic of this post.

"THE QUESTION" So what I am wondering is : Does Round-Up kill cannabis?
Its a simple question and I really have no idea what the answer is. I dont buy round-up and prefer not to try and kill any plants but I really would like to know.

Im sure there must be a huge effect on the commercial growers who have been using corn fields to hide there plots. We see it every year on the news about plots found in corn fields But has MONSANTO put and end to this practice?

I have dont some searches online but have come up with bupkiss about ROUND-UP AND CANNABIS

[b0b_b1tch1n]

only thing i can say is that round up isnt what it used to be , at least in canada , it was outlawed to use the most potent ingredients in round up , so the new round up is junk and wont even kill the weeds in my yard

im unsure how it would effect our meds

good question grin

[Roy]

In Ontario Canada you can still purchase the old Round Up if you are a farmer, golf course attendant, or government ( and some other folks to but I don't know them all).

This seems strange to me as these are the folks that use the most of this product. I live on a farm and can stil purchase large containers of the concentrated Round Up.

I guess the logic is that if you live on a city lot you can pick your weeds by hand, if you live on a hundred acre farm you need a little more help.

I was told, years ago, that Round Up was not a bad product for man kind. Is there evidence that Round Up is not as healthy as once stated?

I don't know I'm just asking.:)

[b0b_b1tch1n]

when i worked for the parks department with the city we couldnt use "old roundup"

maybe its changed as ppl were complaining the city wasnt doing a good job with weed controll

[Kathy]

I have a lot of plants in my yard and have to keep the weeds down, so I confess to using Round Up, which I buy at Home Hardware. I don't like using it, but I cannot keep up with the weeds.

With my Round Up I have killed many unwanted yard growths including one of those sumac trees that grow wild. So I would say that even today's Round Up will kill anything that isn't GM'ed to be resistant.
Why wouldn't it? It has killed every plant it has even gotten close to.

[Cannahope]

I agree with Kathy, I have no doubt that Roundup will kill Cannabis. I've used it out of necessity on acreage where I was legally bound to eradicate weeds on the state noxious weed list...and some of those are amazingly hardy due to strong and persistent root systems. Roundup is supposed to have very little residual effect in the soil...it breaks down into something non-toxic. I still hate using any herbicides or chemical fertilizers, though.

[dld0122]

Death to Monsanto. Capitalist Pigs.

[Richi420]

Yes,round up WILL kill cannabis. Round up will kill almost anything it touches.

[SteveG]

MONSANTO is the devil ... The World According to Monsanto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hErvV5YEHkE)

[grinkeeper]

well I have been reading new reports about resident weed strains that round-up cant kill. These reports are from southern Ontario actually which is funny. This stuff has been sprayed for around 30 years now so new strains that have grown resistant is inevitable they say..

But the big question is How much of the corn fields are G.M.O. seeds
[ GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISM ] . I know that its up words of 95% in the U.S. but Canada has a rate of 50-60%from 2009 stats. who know what its like now.

I have been reading that grain and corn co-ops have to keep the GMO corn and other harvest seperate from regular harvest grains. This isnt due to the big seed re-use laws which are monitored with an IRON FIST by Monsanto. Farms can NOT save any seeds AT ALL .Seriously not even a single seed can be saved from your own harvest if you intend on planting it. there are strict rules about this and farmers are geting sued all the time for saving seeds from stand out plants which you have grown originating from Monsantos seeds. Sounds crazy but its sad stories all around when the subject of seeds come up. Its totally locked down these days. There is more than one documentary about the subject so please look into this its disgusting what power corperations have these days. But it makes total sense to see many former MONSANTOS board memebrs are now in politics.

ok back to the seeds, co-ops must store the corn and wheat crops seperatly due to the very simple fact that EUROPE does not allow GMO crops in yet..

that in its self says a lot about GMO crops...

so guerrilla grows in europe should be safe from ROUND-UP for now.

But Canada is a gamble I would say. Round-up can easily wipe out any clandestine cannabis plants placed stealthy in any corn fields. With 60% of Canadian corn growing being Monsanto's ROUND-UP ready hybrids its risky . Plus these figures are increasing all the time. The stats I ready were from 2009..

The u.s. has a much higher ratio of GMO corn to regular. Its up to 90% round-up ready..

So that's sounds like an exercise in futility.

So many things to think about here. I am sure that the farmers, LEO and government are extremely happy about the effectiveness of ROUND-UP on cannabis. Now the question is if the Government even has any idea about why there is a huge drop in pot plots found in corn fields. That I have no idea about but the statistic should draw some very interesting conclusions for sure.

To sum all this up I would simple say "STAY AWAY FROM CORN FIELDS" to anyone who want to get there Guerrilla Grow On....Sure the corn looks great and your plants might do well for a short time. But when they do one of there scheduled ROUND-UP sprays , your plants will turn from vigorous to vanished almost over night...

great thread and thanks for all the contributions everyone...

[Snowberry]

As a member of the National Farmer's Union, our organization posts informative articles on a regular basis. Monsanto certainly is actively sueing farmers who have saved the best of their harvests for seed as has been the practice of millenia of human's agricultural practices.

It is abundantly clear to me that Monsanto is positioning themselves to control the world's food chain using the tactics of inserting an identifiable gene into certain plant varieties such as corn, cotton, wheat among many others.
Interestingly enough, most of these plants are either wind pollinated or insect pollinated...who can control the wind or where bugs fly?

So after farmer "A" plants roundup ready soybean upwind from his neighbor...farmer "B" who saves seed.....Monsanto spy guys take a crop sample from farmer "B" s fields two years later and winds up before the courts being sued for genetic patent infringement. Many farm families are losing farm property that has been in their family for generations because of the huge litigation costs from these underhanded tactics.

Get it straight folks, these guys want to own the entire food production and distribution system of the world...and I base my appraisal of this situation based on their actions not words.

Getting back to the "Roundup" topic...remember "Agent Orange" used in the Vietnam war? In civilian terms it is known as roundup. Most of us already know of that story and the long term implications of it's use.

No poisons or chemical interventions are practiced on my farm.

My two cents...Snowberry

[Gary Andrew Pallister]

Roundup will kill anything it touches,do not spray on windy day!!!,read all instructions carefully ,this stuff kills anything it touches.Any company trying to take over food control are evil my my opinion.

[Roy]

Snowberry, I did not know that "Round Up" and "Agent Orange" were the same thing. Thanks for the info!

:D :D :D

[SteveG]

It is abundantly clear to me that Monsanto is positioning themselves to control the world's food chain
... and our governments support them ... is anyone else starting to feel like they live in a fascist society? Corporate lobbyists control what laws get made and the same corporations decide what we put in our bodies (food, drink, medicine, vaccines, etc.) ... oh you have free choice; free to choose from what they give you.

[dld0122]

I was so pleased to read a few months ago that India made a stand against Monsanto in regards to GMO Aubergine (Eggplant).

They said absolutely no. I thought, "Finally....someone is standing up to these pigs".

But it's not so easy. As someone here just mentioned, lobbyists and money change minds.

[SteveG]

I was so pleased to read a few months ago that India made a stand against Monsanto in regards to GMO Aubergine (Eggplant).

They said absolutely no. I thought, "Finally....someone is standing up to these pigs".

But it's not so easy. As someone here just mentioned, lobbyists and money change minds.

... that is because Monsanto already decimated their cotton farmers

... I am also a social activist that fights to change the fact that corporations run our lives ... it is true that $$ rules, but I don't want that being a factor in determining a decision.

... I hate this society and wish to change it

[dld0122]

Me too SteveG.

[Cannahope]

I thought agent orange was a combination of 2, 4-d and something else. 2,4-d is commonly used to kill dicots (like Cannabis), without harming monocots (grasses). Often used on people's lawns. The other component (just looked it up...2,4,5-T) was contaminated with dioxin, which I remember as the biggest concern with agent orange and the reason a lot of veterans had problems after the war in Vietnam. Not to mention the people exposed to it in the jungles where it was sprayed as a defoliant.

Roundup is made from glyphosate. I know glyphosate and 2,4-d are the most commonly used herbicides around here. Building the soil, companion planting, proper irrigation, organic amendments / compost can help make these chemical applications unnecessary, and protect and encourage a very important medicinal crop.

[grinkeeper]

I thought agent orange was a combination of 2, 4-d and something else. 2,4-d is commonly used to kill dicots (like Cannabis), without harming monocots (grasses). Often used on people's lawns. The other component (just looked it up...2,4,5-T) was contaminated with dioxin, which I remember as the biggest concern with agent orange and the reason a lot of veterans had problems after the war in Vietnam. Not to mention the people exposed to it in the jungles where it was sprayed as a defoliant.

Roundup is made from glyphosate. I know glyphosate and 2,4-d are the most commonly used herbicides around here. Building the soil, companion planting, proper irrigation, organic amendments / compost can help make these chemical applications unnecessary, and protect and encourage a very important medicinal crop.

great info cannahope but I think you missed the point of the post, None of us will be using round-up for our plants, we are scepulating about corn field planting of cannabis and the theoretical interaction of round up on the cannabis plants..

but great info none the less..

agent orange is nothing close to round up....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_%28herbicide%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food

[rxb]

I did some consulting work for a commodities firm a decade ago when they were looking into Monsanto and the implications from these GMO seeds and it was sort of interesting. The main thing isn't that the seed's themselves are already protected from pests and weeds that are harmful to humans but that it leaves the soil a mess for future crops over time. The more a GMO crop is used in a specific area, the more toxic the soil becomes. That means more downtime for recovery for the earth itself and a drop in long term income based on square footage that produces for the farmer. It's not the product so much as the delivery system. Think as in what happens when you hold an ounce of heroin in your hand. You'll probably not absorb enough to kill you. Inject that same ounce directly into you and you die. It's just so easy for a farmer to use these short term and stay competitive that they're trapped in life's trade offs trying to make a living.

They caused a major headache for the Canadian Canola farmer. Candian prairie's and small light GMO seeds don't mix. Wind born GMO's have made it almost impossible for a company to get their Canola certified organic because of Monsanto's seed and the wind. They've clearly overstepped reason for the common person but remember in this world money talks and common sense is rationalized away so someone with position manages to get paid.

Just my $.02 so FWIW, --r

[oddjobs]

If when I worked for a company called Soil Serve [ A division of Union Carbide] in the Salinas valley ,[California]I 1970ish to 1973 ,my job was driving hi speed tractors with 25ft spray booms mostly at nite because the winds were less at nite and the field workers were not working at nite.Anyways Ive sprayed everything you could imagin on food crops vegtables, insecticides and herbicides possibly thousands of acres .I remember when they were spraying mexicos pot crops with dioxons 24d tp 5 sometimes mixed with high sulfer diesel and I was spraying the same thing on irragation canal banks in the valley.The Salinas Valley Is supposed to be the vegtable capital of the world .We had to have weekly blood draws to check our white counts and we were suppose to stay off work till they came back up but that never happened.Anyways I often wonder if alot of my skeletal pain problems comes from back in those days .:confused: oj

[rxb]

If UC was actually checking white counts it could certainly be a contributing factor. I worked for them briefly in the late '70s bottling gas myself. Good company (good as in at least pretending to care and following through too slowly maybe with some cash if there's a problem, think Bhopal, India) but as capitalist's do the minimum they can get away with cost wise. If they were checking, they knew of potential problems, and being a good company, looked out for you with check ups. Long term effects and side effects were more unknowns then so still coming to light today so they're not to be blamed fully. Kind of reminds me of what has happened with asbestos on a much smaller scale of course. Working primarily in medical research the last 15 years I've at least learned that white counts and bone marrow can be related so it's a definite maybe OJ. --r

sorry about the brief hijack grin so I'll even answer some of your original question ;) Killing with this stuff is like killing with anything. Think of the victim and the weapon. It all depends on how strong, old, and big the victim is as to how the weapon will impact it's existence. Can't kill an oak with a spritz of round up but I'll bet a tanker truck full would wreck it's day. Doing a guerilla grow in a GMO corn field, I'd think seed would mostly whither and die. Good strong seedlings in an area you flood pre-plant after the corn is in seedling stage would probably survive, but quality and yield would suffer to some degree. Best guess, since I've never tried but saw wild cannabis in the cousins GMO corn (mature corn) field in Nebraska 2 years ago. So given the chance, cannabis is one tough plant.

[dld0122]

But what would the bud be like? Toxic?

We've all smoked weed that wasn't "flushed" enough before harvest....yuck.