MMAR Certificate In RECORD TIME 12 Business Days

[sully007]

:D I can not believe it, I sent my completed MMAR Application to possess, and to grow, by registered mail on June 4, 2012 and on June 20, 2012, I received my certificate by registered mail. Only took 12 business days.



I made sure all my ducks were in order and rechecked the forms several times to make sure there were no mistakes.



I guess the moral of the story is' if you have everything in ORDER, there is no delay, and those who say otherwise, must have something wrong with their form. I hear ppl on this site complaining all the time about how slow Health Canada is in approving their applications, well they were not slow in my case and I am nothing special.



So now off to purchase grow equipment if I can afford it. Some of my stuff is older than God himself, haha.
I have a room 15 x 15 x 12 feet high. It is completely bare.
If anyone has any plans drawn up I would be more than happy to receive them, via TY e-mail or you can send to surreycompassionclub@live.com (surreycompassionclub@live.com).



Thanks and, Pay It Forward:D

[Epic Genetics]

i wonder if it is because they plan to raid known growers once the changes come into effect so therefor handing out the licences like candy :confused:

[Rednamalas]

I think it is simply because Sully is undergoing chemo as we speak and they rush patients like this.It states this fact on front page of health canadas marijuana page.It took us 63 and 70 days for our renewals in beginning of this year.

[Rednamalas]

Let them raid me and arrest me I will be fighting it in court.And I dont not belive for one minute they will be able to take away ppl licenses.It will be challanged and won in court.
Thats like someone getting chemo and all of a sudden they want to charge the patient for it.Making it impossible to obtain.It is wrong and is against the charter of rights.This is gonna be a big shitshow in supreme court but im not worried any longer.


i wonder if it is because they plan to raid known growers once the changes come into effect so therefor handing out the licences like candy :confused:

[hollowpoint]

i qualified catagory one and was on 700 mg a day of slow release morphine and my app was done for me and all correct, and mine only took 3 months 92 days actually and that was feb 2012. of course the previous 11 years trying to get a doctor with a backbone proved impossible.
now if we can just get meds that work, and maybe are not best suited for the rec market, but its what I need.

[jam]

good to hear that u got your papers in fast time.. sorry to hear that your takeing chemo..keep your head up high and wish you the best happy growing my friend

[screech]

Congrats Sully! So happy for you man. You deserve the relief no matter what form it comes in!

[Roy]

I use to worry, a lot, about not getting mine on time. It seemed each year MMAR would send me my authorization on the very last day that my old authorization came due or a day or two later. Drove me crazy for years!

I now no longer worry. I sent mine in a couple of months ago (I even sent new pictures because it has to be close to 5 years since I sent in my old pictures and I didn't want them to say that the picture had expired and therefore they did not send me my new authorization).

I look at it this way; what judge is going to convict a person who has had his MMAR authorization for the last 10 years and the only reason that person does not have a current authorization is because MMAR takes months to handle their end of the deal.

It still drives me crazy that it takes Health Canada so, so, so long to get these authorizations out to sick people just not as crazy as it used to do.

[medpot]

Took them 13 YEARS to improve their system and make sure that most don't receive a late exemption.

How many were exposed under danger of prosecution for a late renewed exemption before?

Imagine if it would have been a driving license or health insurance card? :eek:

Marc

[sully007]

Thanks Rednamalas. Yes I am currently getting Chemo and Radiation, I am on 800mil Ms Esolon Morphine and 48 mil of methadone for PAIN CONTROL. Both of which work on their own, in combination is RELIEF, BUT it's the BUD that keeps me going. I get up way early at about 3:30 AM take my Meds at 4 AM, and of course have coffee with my first 420 Break, lol. If it were not for the Bud, I would have no energy, or never EAT again. And my sex life improves when I am on the Bud. I love the Cotton Candy, but really enjoy the Green Crack or just plain old OG is good for me. When I applied way back in 2009, it took my application 2 months to process and that is when I just had cancer, no treatment as of that time.
I will fight them in Court, my back ground is I was a TRAINED Par Legal at one time and now have a LIFE TIME BAN for the practice of Law issued by Supreme Court of BC. With my knowledge of the law, and help and encouragement, I will tie this Certificate up in FEDERAL COURT, anyone who is thinking of filling any action against Health Canada, do not listen to local lawyers and file your Petition or Notice of Motion in BC Supreme Court it is the WRONG JURISDICTION, do not be fooled. Anyway I am geared up for the long fight, and oh I fully realize the Govt, has Tons of Lawyers and most a hell of a lot smarter than I am, however they have JOBS, all I have is my Better Half, My Kids and My Grow, so I have lots of time on my hands to do research, and File Notice Of Motion, and other applications that take time for the Govt, to prepare and respond to in a meaningful manner.
I am like Rednamalas, ready for the fight, and I will gather names as we move closer to revocation for a class action suite. Am I now worried, NOT one Bit, now I have the Certificate, it will be impossible in Law for them to take it away. I do not think there is a Federal Justice that would even step into the political bullshit and side with the Govt. awhile ago I wrote and article, and in it I stated that we need to gear up and get together with some cash, and hire and Advertizing Firm, and Advertize the issue to death. The Normal Canadian is sick of the back track the Government takes on this issue. I think the most recent pool stated that 62 percent of Canadians want Cannabis DE-criminalized and or made Legal.
I am not sure as I have not researched the issue, however I think that it would be very difficult for the Govt to cancel PPL, or enact new legislation that would remove MMAR altogether, as I would use GRANDFATHER and Common Law as the main issue in my fight. All we can do is stay pro active and keep on top of the issue and be ready when the time is right for the Big Fight. Happy Growing and Pay It Forward, Sully.

[sully007]

Took them 13 YEARS to improve their system and make sure that most don't receive a late exemption.

How many were exposed under danger of prosecution for a late renewed exemption before?

Imagine if it would have been a driving license or health insurance card? :eek:

Marc

You are so right Marc, it has taken them this long to get their shit together, and now they are closing the program down, how typical of the Govt. But I am ready to fight and I am sure you will be on the frontline. Keep educating the Public on the good Bud has to offer in your Site, it really helps. I even know a woman who is 78 and she turned me on to this site, she uses canna butteer each day for Arthritis pain relief and she get it from the canna butter and she claims that it coats the joints in her hands, and at 78 who am I to question her. :D

[Rednamalas]

I agree I cant see how they will be able to take away ppl either this is going to be challanged and won im more then sure





Thanks Rednamalas. Yes I am currently getting Chemo and Radiation, I am on 800mil Ms Esolon Morphine and 48 mil of methadone for PAIN CONTROL. Both of which work on their own, in combination is RELIEF, BUT it's the BUD that keeps me going. I get up way early at about 3:30 AM take my Meds at 4 AM, and of course have coffee with my first 420 Break, lol. If it were not for the Bud, I would have no energy, or never EAT again. And my sex life improves when I am on the Bud. I love the Cotton Candy, but really enjoy the Green Crack or just plain old OG is good for me. When I applied way back in 2009, it took my application 2 months to process and that is when I just had cancer, no treatment as of that time.
I will fight them in Court, my back ground is I was a TRAINED Par Legal at one time and now have a LIFE TIME BAN for the practice of Law issued by Supreme Court of BC. With my knowledge of the law, and help and encouragement, I will tie this Certificate up in FEDERAL COURT, anyone who is thinking of filling any action against Health Canada, do not listen to local lawyers and file your Petition or Notice of Motion in BC Supreme Court it is the WRONG JURISDICTION, do not be fooled. Anyway I am geared up for the long fight, and oh I fully realize the Govt, has Tons of Lawyers and most a hell of a lot smarter than I am, however they have JOBS, all I have is my Better Half, My Kids and My Grow, so I have lots of time on my hands to do research, and File Notice Of Motion, and other applications that take time for the Govt, to prepare and respond to in a meaningful manner.
I am like Rednamalas, ready for the fight, and I will gather names as we move closer to revocation for a class action suite. Am I now worried, NOT one Bit, now I have the Certificate, it will be impossible in Law for them to take it away. I do not think there is a Federal Justice that would even step into the political bullshit and side with the Govt. awhile ago I wrote and article, and in it I stated that we need to gear up and get together with some cash, and hire and Advertizing Firm, and Advertize the issue to death. The Normal Canadian is sick of the back track the Government takes on this issue. I think the most recent pool stated that 62 percent of Canadians want Cannabis DE-criminalized and or made Legal.
I am not sure as I have not researched the issue, however I think that it would be very difficult for the Govt to cancel PPL, or enact new legislation that would remove MMAR altogether, as I would use GRANDFATHER and Common Law as the main issue in my fight. All we can do is stay pro active and keep on top of the issue and be ready when the time is right for the Big Fight. Happy Growing and Pay It Forward, Sully.

[Green Acres]

that was fast...nice. my first took 3 weeks then second was normal time of about 8 to 10 weeks then this last one with plant increase took almost a year of fighting them. sent it in and they delayed and refused to return calls for almost 4 months then sent a letter to say since i need to renew in 3 months i have to do it now and start over...lol. i called 12 times to get a call back and they refused to call till they sent the paper work finalized, then i got 4 calls in 2 days....lol..the games are so hillarious
when i was in limbo with no legit card i asked about that...was told dont expect to see us come pay a visit, the way it was said to me was they dont care. ...wasnt them i was concerned about...was cops. they would love to catch us between renewals.

their not handimng them out like candy to set up and bust us when new changes come. they even said there is a phase out period even once they announce the new rules. and once they do take effect i wont be allowing anyone in to look as i wont be fed medical anymore so they wont have a right to enter....without a warrant and need some sort of evidence of illegal activity to get that warrant. not sure if a hell canada guy is enough evidence saying i USED to grow to gain the warrant.

[Rednamalas]

We just got our 3rd permit here at my home.Sent in form just 2 weeks ago and yesterday they showed up.Fuk that was fast.Now im scrambling to set up another veg room and 12 light budroom.I thought id have a month or so to get it done .It figures Kush first work second lol

[sully007]

We just got our 3rd permit here at my home. Sent in form just 2 weeks ago and yesterday they showed up. Fuk that was fast. Now im scrambling to set up another veg room and 12 light budroom. I thought id have a month or so to get it done .It figures Kush first work second lol

Just like the Govt, to fuck up a guys week by making you work, lol.
You Old Dogg, Red, lol, good on you and yours. I kind of thought I was no special case , my old lady will not agree, lol.
Hey so now to just get this clear, I am allowed to grow for myself and 2 other ppl ????? or is it the 8 ppl, some guys are taking on, eight clients or MMAR holders, do not want to get in trouble again by calling them my clients, start a SHIT storm again, I love the controversy.
My Cotton Candy is doing not to bad, I am now in 2 week of flower, and signs of lots of Bud sights coming along. I trimmed all my FAN leaves, shit there is no leaf left, JK. last time I did not trim fan leaves off and I got not one sizable Bud off the bottom end.
I do not think the Feds are setting us up to destroy us. I am like you Red, I will take it as it comes, right now all I am looking forward to is GOOD GROWING, and a lot of lessons along the way.
I got 2 of the Ferts you told me to try and I really had a hard time finding the exact Brand, not in Armstrong or in Vernon. So I got, General Organics, they were the cheapest brand, shit dutch Master was over 189, for a 946 mil bottle. way out of my budget this time around. So I got Bio Thrive plant food for Bloom 2-4-4, and i got Diamond black, liquid Humic Acids, 0-0-1. Next week I will purchase other 3 Nutes.
Is it right, I DO NOT feed my current Grow with these Nutes, as I have started out using miracle grow 20-20-20 and Alaska Fish Emulsion, Right now PH at 1.58 coming out of Tap, all hours of day and night, there is no increase or decrease throughout the day. My 20-20-20 goes in and my dip stick reads 800, then i add the Fish guts and bring it up to 1200, again test PH and goes up to 5.9 to 6.1, my room temp is a constant 80 degrees. I have 17 under a 1000 and beside it, lower to the ground I have a 600 going.
Hope you can make it this week end would be GREAT to see ya.
Happy Cloning Bro, and of course, Pay It Forward. Sully :boat:

[Green Acres]

you can take on 1 other than yourself. 2 cards per grower and 2 growers per house total. but i think if you have yours you can only take 1 more or have to drop your own...is the way i understand it. believe its in the paperwork with the other rules. many seem to not read that in the past and got in shit claiming they didnt know but its on the paper work.

oh dood miricle grow and fish...ouch..ill almost bet my left one your gonna burn bad. heavy nitro there....real heavy. even mg should be used at half dose on its own
ph at 1?...from tap...no way. something not right there.

[sully007]

Hi ya, i just redid my PH level and it is 1.58 again right now. Why do you think my PH is not right?? I used 4 PH and 7 PH testers and dialled the stick to same? Now I am worried.
I have used MG and fish Guts at 1/2 strength for my last 4 Grows, and never got Nute burn of any kind. However only get 8 gm to 21 gm per plant. I like the fish guts it is natural.
anyway need to beef up my numbers per plant that is why asked for help and got more than I an manage form Red, and best part he is local so only a call away.
Will use my buddies tester later today and see what happens to the PH.
Hey have you ever heard of someone using Vinegar to lower PH

[Green Acres]

still something not right bud. no way anyone ph should be 1 even with low tap ph and adding foods ive yet to see ph that low in my 30 years at this. me thinks your pen is pooched, or not readinbg something right....

you dont use ph 4 or 7...those are to set your pen not adjust food with...throw it out. hope the garden makes it if you dumped ph calirating solution in the foods. maybe im reading something wrong but no way you should have ph of 1..ive yet to see it below 3 ish and was hot hot hot fish guts in it...the medi one stuff, but my tap is 7ph
you want to beef numbers toss the mg and the fish and use horticulture foods synthetics.


yes vinigar adjusts ph and so does bakin soda. bakin soda will kill your micro herd...if you have any, use potassium bicarbonate instead of bakin soda..sodium bi carb...or reg ph solution. some seem to think it kills micro but it doesnt, most is phos acid or potassium.

ok i see you cut back on the mg..

[Rednamalas]

There is a simply way around the 3 permit per address policy.Rent a commercial building and sublet office space out front.Each permit holder then has a individual address for each permit. I seen it work and the lawyers are to thank for the idea lol


you can take on 1 other than yourself. 2 cards per grower and 2 growers per house total. but i think if you have yours you can only take 1 more or have to drop your own...is the way i understand it. believe its in the paperwork with the other rules. many seem to not read that in the past and got in shit claiming they didnt know but its on the paper work.

oh dood miricle grow and fish...ouch..ill almost bet my left one your gonna burn bad. heavy nitro there....real heavy. even mg should be used at half dose on its own
ph at 1?...from tap...no way. something not right there.

[Green Acres]

and thats part of the reason why we are about to loose our right to grow our own...cons and missleading stuff like that
and thats if you can find a wharehouse or lie to the owner to get a grow up. then they shut it down for non permit or no fire insurance so the owner can shut it down or the city can. wharehouses cant say no to a reg fire inspection due to the zoning. any fireman comes sees that its done. i dont know of many that got a city inspection and they singed off on it.

if it isnt your reg place of residence then owner has to sing forms, so unless you buy it i dont know to many wharehouse owners that would let that fly

[Rednamalas]

When we set up the warehouse we had all permits inspections even the fire marshall was involved. if you do it right you dont have troubles. there are companies out there insuring large commercial marijuana grows. it is just high risk..get all the paperwork in order and they wont fuck with you.


and thats part of the reason why we are about to loose our right to grow our own...cons and missleading stuff like that
and thats if you can find a wharehouse or lie to the owner to get a grow up. then they shut it down for non permit or no fire insurance so the owner can shut it down or the city can. wharehouses cant say no to a reg fire inspection due to the zoning. any fireman comes sees that its done. i dont know of many that got a city inspection and they singed off on it.

if it isnt your reg place of residence then owner has to sing forms, so unless you buy it i dont know to many wharehouse owners that would let that fly

[Green Acres]

well most are on dissability and barely afford food each month so to run a wharehouse i cant see a real medi guy affording all them rediculous costs. here tey wont sign off on them and is in court now over that. was all to code and as soon as they heard it was a grow he got a rubber stamp even though the work was above n beyond code and done by professionals.
i assume you own it or had owners sig. not sure how else when we have to live at garden to not have owners sig,.and wharehouses arent to code to live in....around here anyways...still to me its pushin the grey areas and is part of why the shut down. dont know to many in need of that size for peronal use grows.

[Rednamalas]

i was simply a employee. we ran 72 lights for 9 patients and it also fed the local compassion club.I too am on disibitity and live on 1270 per month.I no longer work for them.But this outfit still operates freely and transparent.i have my own permit aswell as my wife has a permit.I just took a 3rd permit to help a fellow MMAR holder.I do have my landlord consent at my present place.I ran a ad online looking for MMAr friendly landlord and had 40 replies.I have 171plant count with my wife and my friend im helping has 162 plant count.Once I finish setting up his room we will 25 lights in my basement.I went to the rcmp months ago showing them my paperwork and they didnt give two shits. It all depends who you are and where you live.


well most are on dissability and barely afford food each month so to run a wharehouse i cant see a real medi guy affording all them rediculous costs. here tey wont sign off on them and is in court now over that. was all to code and as soon as they heard it was a grow he got a rubber stamp even though the work was above n beyond code and done by professionals.
i assume you own it or had owners sig. not sure how else when we have to live at garden to not have owners sig,.and wharehouses arent to code to live in....around here anyways...still to me its pushin the grey areas and is part of why the shut down. dont know to many in need of that size for peronal use grows.

[Rednamalas]

One thing I would like to add so people dont get the wrong idea about me.Yes ive been a commercial grower for past 20 years ilegally.I am not that person any longer.I have 171 plants between my wife and I sure I run 12 lights over them but I am only growing 122 plants of my 171 I can grow.I still get 8 pounds off my 122 so I am not trying to be greedy in any way.
I dont like what I saw in the compassion club and the way it operates.At them prices I can find my medicine on the streets at a better value.So just cause I got my ducks in a row dont mean I am in anyway abusing my rights as a MMAR exemptee

[Green Acres]

i wasnt trying to make you look bad there. not sure how transparent disshonesty is to health canada for them. its 1 building with 9 cards, way over their rules. doubt they been inspected. not sure how they get away with it but nobody else can, sure technacly each is diff addy but again..that grey stuff that is costing us our right to grow our own again..they know its pushing things or twisting rules for gain

[Rednamalas]

I agree like any system there are loop holes.And it pisses me off of the abuse because it inst neccesary.Thanx for the reply.You know the sad thing is these people are and will be allowed to continue and they plan on being a commercial grower for them at some point.They buy pot from the public for 1500 then flip it for 7.50 -10.00 a gram off sick low income people.this is why the word compassion should be stripped from these clubs.Like everything else greed and money comes first and their no exception.



i wasnt trying to make you look bad there. not sure how transparent disshonesty is to health canada for them. its 1 building with 9 cards, way over their rules. doubt they been inspected. not sure how they get away with it but nobody else can, sure technacly each is diff addy but again..that grey stuff that is costing us our right to grow our own again..they know its pushing things or twisting rules for gain

[Spuzzum]

I just received my first licenses on Friday August 3rd, and sent by regular mail on July 11th. 23 days. But mine was a B1 application, for severe pain from severe arthritis. Just required my doctor's checkmark, and not a specialist's report like a B2 application.

My condition is cervical spondylosis, degenerative disc disease, and 2 herniated discs. We'd been trying for B2 since 2001.. with a report from the head neurologist at UBC.. but after MMAR started, they wanted a whole new application, with neurologist's report. Basically once a year we'd reapply, submitting the same neurologist's report. A few years ago, they finally tell us they needed a "new" neurologist's report, since the original was from before the MMAR came into effect. My doctor finds a "young and understanding" neurologist who was "supposed" to be good for us... he said no, and gave a long list of other medications I hadn't tried yet. Blah!

That was 2 years ago. I recently read that cervical spondylosis, is also known as a severe form of arthritis to the neck. So when I was at the doctor's earlier in July, I asked him if it was true or not.. yep.

He clicked right in and suggested the B1 application. 3 weeks later.. I'm finally licensed! I just wish we'd gone this route from day 1. Fight for 10+ years, just to finally be licensed.. for only 1 year, as they probably won't renew with 2014 only 5 months away. I'm good until July 31st 2013.
Seems like some cruel joke. :p


One thing I'm not sure of though, as I'm hearing different reports... what is the legallity of using seeds "other" than Health Canada's? My buddy in Nova Scotia was told by them that they "must" be HC seeds, and the guys at my club were saying the same thing. They went as far as to say the plants needed tags identifying them as such, and that cops have ripped plants out that weren't. But if you read all their documentation, both in the applications and on their website, there is nothing saying a licensed grower "must" purchase seeds off HC. Instead it says if the patient "wishes" to purchase from HC, instead of dealing with the illegal market. Are seed shops here in Vancouver considered an "illegal market"?

[paddyk]

Congrats Spuzzum, Welcome to the club.

[chillzpls]

One thing I'm not sure of though, as I'm hearing different reports... what is the legallity of using seeds "other" than Health Canada's? My buddy in Nova Scotia was told by them that they "must" be HC seeds, and the guys at my club were saying the same thing. They went as far as to say the plants needed tags identifying them as such, and that cops have ripped plants out that weren't. But if you read all their documentation, both in the applications and on their website, there is nothing saying a licensed grower "must" purchase seeds off HC. Instead it says if the patient "wishes" to purchase from HC, instead of dealing with the illegal market. Are seed shops here in Vancouver considered an "illegal market"?


The whole of it is indeed a cruel joke. That's why it has been stricken yet again.

When I applied for mmar, the greasy doctor informed me that I should also purchase seeds from them. In fact it was stated along the lines of: "You WILL buy seeds from them.... you WILL".

Fuck that. Anytime you have the option of supporting your own oppression or not, don't. That faulty be design program was a model that worked exceedingly well for this greasy doctor and health canada alike, but I'm more concerned with how it works for people like me. I am not there to be a model statistic for them.

They do give "some" interesting information about their seeds, mostly in describing it's physical features. But much is not known, and based on how they've acquired their genetics via police raids, how in the fuck could they know what the heritage is? How can they know if it's effective for what you're using it for? How could they know if there's not everything else that's an order of magnitude more effective for what you're using it for when they only offer one size fits all, which in their current proposal they've admitted to being inadequate? It's absurd, and if they want out of the "marijuana business", then help them on their way and don't buy any from them.

As per legality, from what I know it's illegal to import or export them, and illegal to sell them, but since health canada breaks the law in selling them then it must be legal for you to buy them. They had to leave just that much room.

[Spuzzum]

Thanks paddyk, I just hope it's not a short run. :)

Thanks chillzpls.. Seeds, as far as I can figure, can be shipped within Canada, and shops like Vancouver Seed Bank pay taxes... so Ottawa's basically saying that selling them is also legal. I just want to make sure that my mmar is still valid if I don't use HC's seeds. I just want to verify these rumors yes or no.

Then again, "Cannabiz" showed the mayor of Grand Forks as a dg... and I don't think his plants were HC's.

[Shadimar]

HC on the left, Russian Ruderalis on the right.

:censored: tough choice, check back with me in a few hours.

OK I decided.

I'll take the марихуана.

[Spuzzum]

HC on the left, Russian Ruderalis on the right.

:censored: tough choice, check back with me in a few hours.

OK I decided.

I'll take the марихуана.

lol! :D

[paddyk]

I do not want to come across as sanctomonious or "smarter" but it is my experience that the best way to proceed is to FIGHT for your rights. Interpret the regulations in your favor and make hc provide proof otherwise. Far too many are willing to accept unreasonable restrictions for a false sense of security. This gov't in particular has shown zero compassion and act in very bad faith with regard to dealing with sick people. One example is about growing in and out at the same time. How do you maintain genetics?
another is plant count, how do you breed? One easy answer is to stick to the interpretation of "IN PRODUCTION" If we take the logical meaning, it would represent ONLY plants in the "FLOWERING" stage. This would provide a way to keep your genetics indoors during your outdoor summer grow, keep them in veg. The same would benefit plant count and the abilty to grow out dozens to get the BEST plants, these plants being in veg would not count toward "count" but many are willing to accept that even a freakin rooting clone counts never mind rooted vegging plants. I will state here that I believe that total dry weight should be the ONLY restrictions. This provides for a much greater flexibility, allowing disabled to grow many small plants in a hydro set up, instead of a few huge plants! BS rules from unknowing unintelligent beauracrats!!!
I have had to fight every single step of the way, even though my case is backed by over 5 different doctors. The rep from the gov't for cpp even had the nerve to asked me to help him understand why I was refused, since he couldn't figure it out. lmfao, that's why we were at the appeal hearing, He was pretty good about it though, he didn't ask 1 question in cross. They then tried to screw me out of my arrears by sending me a document that stated they owed me 0 arrears. It took only 1 call, but it DID take a phone call.
I am sure there are many more worse examples out there. WE MUST fight for our rights and stop trying top appease those who never deal fairly with us. From reefermadness till today the extent of the lies are beyond reason.

[chillzpls]

They're not saying that selling them is legal, but people obviously do. They're not saying that buying them within canada is illegal.. and that's the important thing. What is more important is how their typical half measure doesn't meet your medical requirements of having a wide variety of selection.

Just realize that it's absolutely unreasonable to grant an "exemption", while limiting their every avenue of access to it. When you encounter that, ignore it, because it's simply not legitimate and not in compliance with every court ruling thus far.

As per : " One easy answer is to stick to the interpretation of "IN PRODUCTION" If we take the logical meaning, it would represent ONLY plants in the "FLOWERING" stage. "

Nice try but nowhere is it specified that production is restricted in definition to a single stage of growth and it's unreasonable to interpret it so narrowly and self servingly. At least no doubt any judge would think so, particularly as there's already rulings deciding that little seedlings and clone can be counted "whole plants". What they do continually specify is "Whole plant", and "production" obviously relates to that.

I don't mind saying that I dislike your approach to it because it tries to make good what's obviously broken and in doing so accepts "unreasonable restrictions for a false sense of security", and it's definitely a false sense because what matters is the argument you can win, not the one you can convince yourself of.

The argument you can win is that the entire equation is wrong minded, and intended to restrict your access in assuming your criminality, when it should be granting you access in making you exempt from it.

That it takes no practical issues into account as they relate to your needs, but only those of the police to restrict your access, is a demonstration of it being made in bad faith, in that it sets you up for a fail and places you on thin ice. Much like with the case of the non existent photo ID cards, should you attempt to exercise your right you'll no doubt find yourself in violation of their restrictions because that's how the traps they set for you work.

This is very easily argued and very easily demonstrated countless ways. Doctors as gate keepers is only one of them. Not sending a useable form of photo ID is another. This seed insecurity another still. Edibles and extracts yet another, and this bullshit equation just one more. We can throw in the recent "proposal" which is intended to please the USA, placing their corruption above our own well being, and any government that does such a thing is obviously treasonous.

So if you want to fight for your rights don't do it by attempting to legitimize the illegitimate when it's sufficient to disregard it. BTW, Total dry weight as the sole consideration is the exact ignorance that led to their farcical equation and has already been stricken in court with the tasty cookies case.

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong."

[Spuzzum]

Thanks paddyk :)

Dad was a cop, so it's part of my MO to push the envelope. That's probably why I "debate" laws so much. :D

It's also why I seem to get a little more leeway with the cops.. basically, "one of their own". Given that, and my squeeky clean record.. they might not be as quick to rip them out without hearing my arguement first. There is absolutely "nothing" in writing.. either in their applications, or on their site.. that says the seeds "must" be Health Canada's. All it says, is "if" the license holder "wishes" or "wants" to purchase off HC. Nothing says they "must", or even that a license is invalid if they don't. Other than that.. just says you can't import/export your dried marijuana or seeds. It also says you can't sell or give your seeds or plants to anyone within Canada. That includes clones. Even if 2 licensed patients trading.. like many in the community do.

I've heard similar stories from my club about what's considered "plants". They said same thing.. only those in flower.. veg and clones not added on. But I've also heard where even a rooting clone is considered a "plant". Only thing else I've been told, is buds that are still drying are "not" considered "dry storage". Not sure about curing though.. depends what police beleive I guess.

My licenses are 60g personal (2g/day), 10 plants indoors, and 450 dried storage.

My original plan was 18 plantlets in a SoG, 14"-20" when finished, at roughly 10-14g a plant. Or at least that's what I told them. Nope... 10 plants maximum. So now... either a 2 plant rotation in a SoG, SCRoG, or even small bushes. Either 4 or 5 stages in total.. flowering time depending. Clones from bottom shoots of SoG'd colas, or from tops of SCRoG and bushes. No mothers needed. So.. clone/veg 1st stage, veg 2nd stage, then flower for another 2 or 3 stages. Harvest 2 plants every 3 or 4 weeks after that.


I'm glad I designed my led panel as 3 separate panels.. I'll be splitting them. 2 sections for flower, 1 section for clone/veg. And I didn't get that "V" stepped cabinet yet.. good thing, as it was for 18 plants. Impractical for what I'm allowed, and even worse if just doing 5.. like I would if I didn't get licensed. Stay below 6 to stay out of jail. ;)

I'll probably start with 2'x2' tents.. 1 square foot per plant/bush. Shit... that means just a 2 stage flower then. Or.. 3 stage SCRoG... (3) 8"x24" planters with mesh.. each plant getting 8"x12". :)

[paddyk]

particularly as there's already rulings deciding that little seedlings and clone can be counted "whole plants".
There you go again chill...where do you get this from????
NO COURT HAS EVER RULED ON PLANT COUNT. Only quislings willing to bend over for the enemy!
You have the nerve to criricize me for "accepting" the mmar and then you go and take hc's side of the argument.
I would not hesitate 1 second to defend MY definition of in production against yours.
How a 1 week old rooting clone can be counted towards "count" is beyond me. Same with seedlings, count the males also, duh!!
We MUST fight hc every step of the way. Also we need to unite instead of divide and argue amonst ourselves. The easy answer is to always side on the position MOST favorable to US.

[chillzpls]

Actually, there you go again. You don't seem to understand a word of what I wrote, blinded by your rage perhaps. Do you even use medical cannabis... ? Get your undies in a bunch all you like, it's not going to result in your argument making more sense than it does.

I never said there was a ruling on "plant count". I said there's precedence /ruling for counting seedlings, clones, males, as "whole plants", that add up to your count. The equation itself fails to make any distinction otherwise.

The ruling that affects "plant count" is the tasty cookies ruling because the equation is specific towards the dried "whole plant only". With the later ruled invalid, by inference, so is the former.

Your self serving interpretation lends this fallacious plant count equation undue credibility, whereas if you accept it for exactly what it is, you can see it has no legitimacy whatsoever. Did you read the ruling to that case or are you just telling us how you really feel?

There is no "US" as far as I'm concerned. We learnt that in previous discussions, what with the "grandfathering" and every other self serving agenda of having a seat at the table where nobody listens or gets heard, which somehow makes one truly legit.

Neither am I at all inclined to adopt piss poor logic and weak arguments because "we're stronger in numbers", crying out "US" while arguing "ME", and actively working to exile those who we can't gain control over.

And btw, a creative interpretation is only going to work when you truly believe it and don't admit to for-knowledge of it being a self serving creative interpretation. Now you want to talk about a false sense of security, you've just defined it right there.

But I wish you the best with your defense.

[Tweedybird]

All this bickering over who's right, who's not... Look it up on CanLii. And my MMAR license was 30 days from mailing to receipt of license, end of June to end of July 2012. HC is processing quickly at the moment.

[paddyk]

Did you get a photo id card???
I have not gotten one in 3 years now
Glad to hear you got it so fast, congrats

[Tweedybird]

There's no photo id. I phoned and HC said the ID cards were suspended.

[paddyk]

Just another example of their bad faith handling of the whole program.
The photo id is in my opinion absolutely necessary. What am I supposed to do, rip down my papers off rhe wall fold them up and stick em in my pocket???

[Guy_In_Pain]

Just another example of their bad faith handling of the whole program.
The photo id is in my opinion absolutely necessary. What am I supposed to do, rip down my papers off rhe wall fold them up and stick em in my pocket???

Absolutely agree and I'm glad someone got their license in 30 dayz. It only took the proposed ending of the program before any of those fukkers down at Hellth Canada could process in a reasonable time, or is it the doctors they managed to take out of the game? LOL I won't be lining up to shake anyones hand thanks. They have fukked me around for many years now with their silly games. I hope they all loose their jobs but we all know that won't happen. :rolleyes:

[Rednamalas]

you keep your license to possess on you and your ppl on the wall entering your growroom not that big of a deal.i just leave my paperwork under the viser in my truck i only have weed in my truck or home not on me.No real big deal here for me.



Just another example of their bad faith handling of the whole program.
The photo id is in my opinion absolutely necessary. What am I supposed to do, rip down my papers off rhe wall fold them up and stick em in my pocket???


First thing I did was go to Staples and make several copies of all my papers on their color printers.I keep the originals in a file folder And I put up the copies on my wall etc.I took copies to the rcmp also.They know it is here so there is no need to post my papers on the wall but i still do just incase.

[T&G]

Seriously what good is the lic without a pic of who it belongs to? Just something else they are trying to do to torpedo the program...And them FINALLY doing their job just goes to show WE were right that they were just fu kin ppl around with the long waits and it will come out in court, if it ever gets that far. I agree with GIP a bunch of useless turds should loose their jobs AND be criminally charged! But in all honesty doubt if it will get done.
Be well
T :rolleyes:

[Tweedybird]

I actually put mine in an envelope and carry it with my medicine. Wherever my medicine goes, my permit goes. Easy enough to see my name on it and my photo ID are with me as well. No big deal. The grow permit stays with the grow. lol. Don't need to carry that around. :ninja:




Just another example of their bad faith handling of the whole program.
The photo id is in my opinion absolutely necessary. What am I supposed to do, rip down my papers off rhe wall fold them up and stick em in my pocket???

[chillzpls]

I actually put mine in an envelope and carry it with my medicine. Wherever my medicine goes, my permit goes. Easy enough to see my name on it and my photo ID are with me as well. No big deal. The grow permit stays with the grow. lol. Don't need to carry that around. :ninja:

Nah, sorry. That doesn't fly, because the cops are expecting an actual official photo ID, per the regulation, and not some pink snot rag that anybody can produce.

There has never been an official "This pink snot rag is now your ID, and we're just wanting your photo on file for the US government's personal use".. announcement.

Instead they dicked people along with every excuse on the book... broken machine..... too much influx.... can't handle it all..... broken machine again..... we're not doing them but we're doing them again but not for you but we're discounted a bunch so as to catch up and we're only issuing them for renewals....

What? How the fuck does anybody know what's going on that way? Do the cops know when they're holding a gun to your head when it's such that nobody can know? You see the problem?

[dabbin]

So much drama, for something so simple. People need to be civil, even if they don't agree. Calling someone a moron detracts from whatever argument you might have had.

The police do not expect a photo ID. They expect a piece of paper from HC with a MMAR/MMAD number on it. Does not have to be original. I carry a 50% size photocopy. HC has confirmed this is ok, the local RCMP has no issues.

You submit passport photos every 5 years, these are linked to your MMAR number, I'd bet they can get your photo if it becomes an issue. But the system is so broken I doubt it would go that far, but that's a guess on my part.

[Tweedybird]

When a wise man argues with a fool, it is hard to tell them apart.

[chillzpls]

Yeah, that sounds like a lot of guessing on your part, and health canada says a lot of things that don't mean shit because what they say is opposite of reality and opposite of their actions. Sounds like you've managed to bullshit yourself, with a little help from them.

You understand the risks? You understand why laws and regulations get put in writing? The whole fucking point to the photo ID is so that it NEVER "becomes an issue". Once it has become an issue it's too :censored: late.

[Shadimar]

When a wise man argues with a fool, it is hard to tell them apart.
I like that one :)

[paddyk]

you keep your license to possess on you and your ppl on the wall entering your growroom not that big of a deal.i just leave my paperwork under the viser in my truck i only have weed in my truck or home not on me.No real big deal here for me
I am sorry you feel that this treatment is "NO BIG DEAL"! I for one feel that they are trying every fucking thing possible to screw with us and the program THEY WERE FORCED TO IMPLEMENT. The rules that THEY made CLEARLY state you MUST have your photo id card with you AT ALL TIMES and I don't think a copy of a doc will be sufficient. WE need to STOP capitulating to these fuckers and stop arguing among ourselves, unite and fight!! WE really need to stop agreeing to ubreasonable restrictions.
I believe that if we had a proper organization we could even work on a deal where we patients would be able to sell any extra we may have to other patients for a reasonable price. I personally never have enough, never mind extra, but if I could legallyt sell it, I would then not have to worry about having too much and might even end up with enough to last till the next harvest.

[Rednamalas]

why does health canada think designated growers are doing this??? Who would risk all this bullshit to grow med weed for people for nothing??? Your right about them fukin us every corner but you know crying wont make any difference.Let the lawyers deal with it thats what they will be getgting paid for.The governement has never listened to anyone why would they start now.All this bickering is just entertaining simply as it really doesnt matter.Ive medicated myself for 30 years prior to this nonsense and will continue too.Yes it is no big deal to me pot is a lifestyle.It has been my families only source of income for the past 20 odd years.It surely isnt worth getting your panties in a knot over.But I agree they are stripping our rights away.Soon as i get a termination notice my lawyer will be filing suit.Its that simple.We can sit here for the next 2 years bitching at each other it is simple doing nothing to help anything or anyone.Old ladys calling its doobie time

[paddyk]

The governement has never listened to anyone
Wrong! We see itall the time, IF enough people unite and fight many things have been changed or dropped. The ONLY one this is NOT true for is cannabis, This is because big pharma and all their buddies spend MILLIONS lobbying against legalization, and too many are willing to capitulate instead of fight. Many examples of "I got mine" who cares about you? Many people screwed over because "who ya gonna call"? Rippers, cons and even friends who rob you, no other substance suffers such abuses!

[chillzpls]

I am sorry you feel that this treatment is "NO BIG DEAL"! I for one feel that they are trying every fucking thing possible to screw with us and the program THEY WERE FORCED TO IMPLEMENT. The rules that THEY made CLEARLY state you MUST have your photo id card with you AT ALL TIMES and I don't think a copy of a doc will be sufficient. WE need to STOP capitulating to these fuckers and stop arguing among ourselves, unite and fight!! WE really need to stop agreeing to ubreasonable restrictions.
I believe that if we had a proper organization we could even work on a deal where we patients would be able to sell any extra we may have to other patients for a reasonable price. I personally never have enough, never mind extra, but if I could legallyt sell it, I would then not have to worry about having too much and might even end up with enough to last till the next harvest.

It would be silly to think that this forum doesn't suffer a few astrotrufers invested in derailing any dissent on these matters and I can name a few status quo lovers in this thread alone as likely candidates. But I'm glad that you get the deal with the card and health canada intentionally not living up to its mandated responsibilities.

[Rednamalas]

I may lack intelligence but i got a basement full of weed that helps balance things lol



Yeah, nobody thinks you're laughing chump. You're a bad caricature and I'm certain the only genuine aspect of is your lack of intelligence.

[Marco Renda]

Just another example of their bad faith handling of the whole program.
The photo id is in my opinion absolutely necessary. What am I supposed to do, rip down my papers off rhe wall fold them up and stick em in my pocket???

Photocopy your paperwork and carry it on your person! That is what they expect you to do. I carry my paperwork on my person at all times

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[Rednamalas]

Hi Marco. When I suggested that I was accused of docturing my documents to fit my needs.Like wtf.LOL Some peoples children.It is not wrong to make copies of any document that bears your name on it.Take it easy marco


Photocopy your paperwork and carry it on your person! That is what they expect you to do. I carry my paperwork on my person at all times

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[chillzpls]

Photocopy your paperwork and carry it on your person! That is what they expect you to do. I carry my paperwork on my person at all times

Take Care and Peace
Marco

Yeah? Show us where it says that in writing: "You may present the police with a photocopy of this snot rag, and police must accept your unoriginal document as valid official proof".

And do you have the pink paper or do you have the photo ID marco?

[Rednamalas]

LOL you never quit do you.Your great

[chillzpls]

"This document and/or ID card will serve as proof of your authority to possess marihuana for medical purpose. You should have at least one of these documents with you at all times when you are in possession of the substance in case you are required to show proof to the police."

Now for those who have a problem with plain english, no where does it include "unofficial photocopy" in "this document and/or ID card".

Neither does it make an appearance, nor could it be included, in "you should have on these", where "one of these" means "this" document, and/or ID card".

In fact no where at all do I see provisions to allow an unofficial photocopy as official proof. Do you suppose health canada is working hard behind the scenes to redefine what legal documents mean, but just not telling anybody, and that you should trust in their authority to do so with your fucking life?

Common sense people..... use it.

[Guy_In_Pain]

"This document and/or ID card will serve as proof of your authority to possess marihuana for medical purpose. You should have at least one of these documents with you at all times when you are in possession of the substance in case you are required to show proof to the police."

Now for those who have a problem with plain english, no where does it include "unofficial photocopy" in "this document and/or ID card".

Neither does it make an appearance, nor could it be included, in "you should have on these", where "one of these" means "this" document, and/or ID card".

In fact no where at all do I see provisions to allow an unofficial photocopy as official proof. Do you suppose health canada is working hard behind the scenes to redefine what legal documents mean, but just not telling anybody, and that you should trust in their authority to do so with your fucking life?

Common sense people..... use it.

On a real lucky day I get pulled over and a cop says hmmmm smells like pot in here, get out. That's the day I want the original and some other ID to prove exactly who I am. With a copy they can take you in, fuk you around then release you and say "you really should carry the original". If they take me in with the original paperwork I will have a piece of them.

[Rednamalas]

What cop is going to hassle someone even showing them a photo copy.Do you honestly think they would.Highly doubtful.They have alot better things to do.Maybe if you look like trouble they will bug you but In all my yeras of being pulled over and not even being legal ive yet to be charged.i once got a 24 hour suspension.Cops dont pick on 50 year old people for a simple bag of pot when they know they are allowed to have it. like really who goes around forging health canada copies just incase they get caught with personal.

[Shadimar]

I always went with

I'm undercover DEA, gtfo of here man, yer gonna blow my cover!:p

Can we try to keep it calm and sometimes on topic? Insults mean I have to read the whole thread from, beginning to end and pull out all the vitriol :no:

:shit:

[Rednamalas]

LOL good one

[chillzpls]

Oh, right. I guess it's easy to forget how the police are your friends, and how you can trust them not to kick you in the face or ..... LOLOLOLO........ tase you to fucking death...

or how they uniquely understand that, you are entitled to this illegal substance...... lololololo


No need to concern ourselves with not giving them a reason at all..... lololoo...... they nice guys.

[Tweedybird]

Alright, back to the topic. It appears some peeps don't know how regulations are amended. Usually, once passed initially, they are put on a review schedule, such as every 2-3 years. When they come up for review, actual practice and problems are looked at. It is not unusual for actual practice to be different than the regulation states. So what to do? You can petition the Gov't by a law suit in Fed Ct and ask the court to order them to follow the law. Or you can go about it in other ways, such as writing campaign to Minister, call MLA, signature petition, phone calls, etc. Many ways if you truely don't like that practice is different than the reg. Why not call up legislative affairs and find out the next time the reg is scheduled to be reviewed?

[Grand Pa smurf]

Maybe cause it's scheduled to be shredded in '14 and handed off to doctors and commercial growers, which makes your oppinion, wants, or needs meaningless to them.
All beside the fact they've been mandated by the court numerous times to set up an easily accessable supply n still fail miserably at it.

[Darkwraith]

Your very lucky, it took me 3 months 2 yrs ago.

[Shadimar]

Welcome to the forums, Darkwraith :)