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Binky
05-23-2005, 10:11 AM
By John von Radowitz
23 May 2005


Excessive use of cannabis may lead to brittle bones, new research suggests.

Scientists have found that molecules on the surface of bone cells are targeted by cannabis chemicals.

They discovered that drugs which block these cannabinoid receptors may prevent bone loss. But the flip-side to the research is that smoking cannabis is likely to promote osteoporosis.

Professor Stuart Ralston, who led the research at the University of Aberdeen, said: "We hadn't studied cannabis users, but the work we've done would suggest that if you use a lot of cannabis it could stimulate bone-absorbing cells, and that would be bad."

The study's findings are published as ministers prepare to review existing cannabis laws.

Receptors are molecules that act like a "lock" into which other molecules fit. Molecules that affect cells are activated when they bind to specific receptors.

Professor Ralston's team was investigating the way natural cannabinoids in the body attach to receptors to help regulate bone density and turnover.

The "endogenous" cannabinoids seemed to stimulate the absorption of bone - and it was likely that chemicals in cannabis did the same.

Because the molecules have a similar structure, they are likely to bind to the same receptors, the professor said. "It is very likely, almost certain," he said.

Mouse experiments showed that blocking the cannabinoid receptors effectively inhibited bone loss. Conversely, stimulating them with drugs that mimicked the effects of cannabis was detrimental to bone.

"This is an important finding since it demonstrates that the receptors which cannabis acts upon are not only important in the nervous system, but also in the control of bone metabolism," said Professor Ralston, who is now at the University of Edinburgh.

"That compounds which blocked cannabinoid receptors are highly effective at preventing bone loss is particularly exciting, since it shows that these drugs could provide us with a completely new approach to the treatment of osteoporosis." The findings appear in the online edition of the journal Nature Medicine.

Professor Ralston, one of Britain's leading osteoporosis experts, said he saw many patients with bone loss who used drugs of various types. But he pointed out that diet, smoking, and other lifestyle issues may also be involved. "If using cannabis is one of the factors involved, we ought to know about it," he added.

More than 250,000 people in Britain suffer osteoporosis-related fractures each year, with related health costs exceeding £1.7bn. A spokesman for the National Osteoporosis Society said: "This looks to be a new area of research and we are not aware that there has been a lot of research into this issue. It is encouraging from our point of view that new areas are being explored in osteoporosis research."

Health warnings

Cannabis was reclassified from a class B to a class C drug in January 2004. Since then research has revealed new risks.

* A study in Belgium found that cannabis doubles the risk of schizophrenia, hallucination and paranoia among a genetically susceptible group.

* According to the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London, one in four people carries genes that increase vulnerability to psychosis illness if he or she smokes cannabis as a teenager. Other illnesses such as depression have also been linked to the drug.

* Scientists at Queen's University, Belfast, have warned that use of the drug by men can damage sperm, reducing fertility.

* Researchers in New Zealand have found that heavy cannabis users are ten times more likely to be injured, or to injure others, in car accidents.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/story.jsp?story=640678

reddiet
05-23-2005, 11:57 AM
I would like to point out that in the study they were using synthetic drugs, not MJ, that are supposed to be similar to the affects of MJ. According to the quote: (Conversely, stimulating them with drugs that mimicked the effects of cannabis was detrimental to bone). (and it was likely that chemicals in cannabis did the same) Using synthetic drugs are not the same as using natural MJ.
RED

Binky
05-23-2005, 12:02 PM
It's the old, "would have could have"

I guess they'll say just about anything to make it look bad. Show me the bodies:(

pflover
05-23-2005, 02:29 PM
furthermore they are completely ignoring the fact that the magority of effects produced by cannabis are subject to the development of tolerance to said effects.

Green Medicine
05-23-2005, 05:22 PM
Yep......and there are tombstones that read: "Aids: I don't need no stinkin' condoms! Prove it."

Why can't there be a grain of truth in this? Are ALL scientists trying to mess with MJ users? I swear MJ users will find a conspiracy in anything. Especially those MJ users with Doctorates that are doing MJ research.....I assume using MJ makes you "know better" than those scientists?

Closed minds is EXACTLY what the drug war is about....Is yours as closed as the "bad guys"? Why can't this have some truth to it?

I'm sorry but this must be proof MJ makes people react to anything they don't want to hear. . Sigh.

Now where is my copy of the National Enquirer?

I got to send in my pictures of me bonging with bigfoot......

closetfarmer
05-23-2005, 08:26 PM
Yep......and there are tombstones that read: "Aids: I don't need no stinkin' condoms! Prove it."

Why can't there be a grain of truth in this? Are ALL scientists trying to mess with MJ users? I swear MJ users will find a conspiracy in anything. Especially those MJ users with Doctorates that are doing MJ research.....I assume using MJ makes you "know better" than those scientists?

Closed minds is EXACTLY what the drug war is about....Is yours as closed as the "bad guys"? Why can't this have some truth to it?

I'm sorry but this must be proof MJ makes people react to anything they don't want to hear. . Sigh.

Now where is my copy of the National Enquirer?




I got to send in my pictures of me bonging with bigfoot......


Well believe it, The government and corporations can make u believe whatever they want u to. For anyone to think that the government doesnt promote lies like this is ignorant. Closed minds, no, but perhaps opening the mind to the same story written by another writer would shed a little more truth on the subject. Words get twisted around all the time by the media to sway public opinion..
Peace and Love,
CF :D

DarkReaper
05-23-2005, 08:30 PM
Another thing we all need is to have to deal with this false info use real mj not synthetic crap if you want to do a test on mary jane

Blaster
05-24-2005, 04:16 PM
In the article it states that not olny did they use a synthetic substance they also didn't study any actual users.., :confused: But they make sweeping claims about the "possible" effect on MJ users.
This is like saying that merinol is just like MJ because it is one of the substances found in MJ. Nothing is said about synergistic and essential effect that other cannabiniods have on the over all system. :rolleyes:
If they are going to make these broad sweeping claims, then I think that the real deal/substance sould be used as it would be in the general population. Anything less is disingenuous(sp).

Big Foot is cool, but, He never brings any over when He comes to visit me.

dgbaker
05-24-2005, 04:41 PM
The article and the science behind it is sound.

Smoking tobacco leads to the same condition.

So does caffiene and alchohol.

**The article, nor do any other similar articles, say that they used synthetic compounds.**

It did study natural cannabinoids, IE the term "endogenous" canabinoids, in case you missed it means something produced by the brain or body.

In fact the article is quite specific just in case the word endogenous is too large for some:

"natural cannabinoids"

Now whom is telling tales?

Professor Ralston, one of Britain's leading osteoporosis experts, said he saw many patients with bone loss who used drugs of various types. But he pointed out that diet, smoking, and other lifestyle issues may also be involved. 'If using cannabis is one of the factors involved, we ought to know about it,' he added.

pflover
05-24-2005, 05:17 PM
i personally DO believe there is truth to this article. the anandimidic (endocannabinoid) systems in the body and brain help regulate a wide range of neurochemical and physiological processes.

My personal point is not that there is no truth to this study but instead that the wide reaching claims of the authors are a bit TOO far just yet. how this particular process is effected by, or not effected by, the development of tolerance at the CB2 receptor sites that the endocannabinoids in question interacted with to produce bone loss has yet to be seen. most but not all effects of the cannabinoids on the body are subject to the development of tolerance. THEREFOR, heavy chronic users of cannabinoids with good diets and other life style choices that do not lead to inactivity leading to bone loss MIGHT NOT be subject to brittle bone disease. :eek:

merf......

:rolleyes:

Blaster
05-24-2005, 10:33 PM
My bad. :o

Green Medicine
05-25-2005, 02:45 AM
Well believe it, The government and corporations can make u believe whatever they want u to. For anyone to think that the government doesnt promote lies like this is ignorant. Closed minds, no, but perhaps opening the mind to the same story written by another writer would shed a little more truth on the subject. Words get twisted around all the time by the media to sway public opinion..
Peace and Love,
CF :D

Well I don't. And no they can't make me believe whatever. I have a mind...I try to use it well....most of the time! Is this the "definition" of ignorant?

And since the US Gov. Doesn't allow cannabis to be used in studies.....you won't see the kind of proof some people just have to see to believe anything.

Hmmm....maybe it was some kind of top secret DEA bone that only acts that way?....sigh.

Yes, pot opened my mind...but not my eyes or ears? <--Now that's ignorant.

GreenThumb
05-25-2005, 09:07 AM
The problem as I see it is that the government puts out so much anti pot propaganda. When we read anything negative about the precious herb we are automatically skeptical.