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Green Medicine
11-22-2005, 01:04 AM
Non STANDARD SMOKE REPORT V1.0b4

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IDENTIFICATION
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Date: 11/21/05
Strain: E-32 REAL Trainwreck
Judge: GM
Breeder: There is only one breeder.....Clone Only Strain
Grower: GM

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PHYSICAL EXAMINATION
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1. Visual Appeal: Rate the visual appeal of the buds from 1-10 unappealing-excellent. 7

2. Visible Trichomes: Rate the visible trichome content from 1-10 none-totally covered. 10+ Totally Sugar Coated

3. Use an X to indicate the colors that are present in the trichome heads under magnification or list the percentages of each color for a more precise report.

Clear [ 10] Cloudy [60 ] Amber [30 ] Dark [0 ]

4. Mark with X the colors that are present in the buds or for a more detailed color analysis rate presence on a scale 1-9 light-dark.

Brown [ ] Green [ 4] Gold [2 ] Blue [ ] Grey [8 ] White [ ] Red [ ] Rust [ ] Orange [ ] Purple [ ] Black [ ]

5. Bud density: [5 ] Rate the bud density from 1-10 airy-dense.

6. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the aroma of freshly broken bud where a one indicates a subtle presence and 9 indicates a pronounced presence.

[ ] Petroleum*
[ ] Menthol*
[ ] Lemon*

*Lemon Pine Sol cleaner with Vicks menthol chest rub, mixed with degreaser - very distictive and STRONG.
Odor escapes "baggies", oven bags are suggested for transport.

7. Aroma [ 9] Rate the aroma from 1-10 repulsive-delightful. Use freshly crumbled bud for best results.

8. Seed content [ 0] Rate seed content from 0-10 none-fully seeded.

9. Weeks cured [ 8] If known enter the number of weeks your sample has been cured. If desired repeat SSR after an additional two weeks of curing.

PHYSICAL EXAMINATION COMMENTS: Loose, grey nuggets. Leaves
a ton of crystal in the jar or anything a bud is set on.
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THE SMOKE TEST
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Address these questions while smoking.

1. Please use a clean instrument for the evaluation. Enter information below that will identify the instrument as follows:

Water pipe [Bong]
Vaporizer (enter the brand name) [Volcano ]
Joint (enter brand of papers) [ Rizla Silver ]

2. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the taste where a one indicates a subtle presence and a nine indicates a very pronounced presence. Delete the existing space when marking a descriptor in order to maintain the columns in alignment.

Petroleum [9]
Menthol [9]
Mint [5]
Lemon [9]

If appropriate return to this question after 5-10 minutes and mark
with X any unmarked descriptors for lingering aftertaste.

3. Taste [9] Rate your impression of the taste from 1-10 unpleasant-delicious.

4. State of dryness [5] Rate the dryness of the bud from 1-10 wet-dry where 5 is ideal.

5. Smoke ability [8] Rate the smoke ability of the sample from 1-10 harsh-smooth.

6. Smoke expansion [6] Rate how the smoke expands in the lungs from 1-10 stable-explodes.

SMOKE TEST COMMENTS:

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FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS
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Address final questions immediately after effects have worn off.

1. Dosage [ 3] Enter the number of hits taken to reach desired effects.

2. Effect onset [ 3] Rate how quickly the effect hit from 1-10 immediate-major creeper.

3. Sativa influence [7 - 8] Rate the sativa influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Sativa influence is best described as a clear and energetic mental effect.

4. Indica influence [ 4] Rate the indica influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Indica influence is best described as a sedative, lethargic or numbing effect that affects the body.

5. Potency [ 10 Weapons Grade] Rate the potency of the sample from 0-10 none-devastating.

6. Duration [ 3] Indicate the number of hours the effects lasted.

7. Tolerance build up [ 3] Rate how quickly tolerance builds from 0-10 none-rapid. Leave this field blank if you have not used this sample repeatedly.

8. Usability Rate on a scale of 1-9 where a one indicates the worst time of day to consume this strain and a nine represents the ideal time of day. Leave field(s) blank if you have not yet formed an opinion.

Morning - wake up [ 7] Day - work [9 ] Evening - relax [7 ] Night - sleep [ 4]

9. Overall satisfaction [ 10] Rate your overall satisfaction from 1-10 poor-Holy Grail.

10.Ability and conditions [10 ] Rate your overall ability to judge from 1-10 low-high. Consider experience, strain familiarity, atmosphere, current tolerance and most importantly the condition and preparation of the sample.

11.Judging from the sample alone do you personally consider this
strain a keeper for long term use. Yes [XXXXXXXXXXX!!! ]

12.Rate the noticable effects on a scale of 1-9 mild-severe. Take care to use the appropriate column for your response.

What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT

[P] [N] Ability to rest or sit still
[X] Anxiety relief - For me: [P] For others sensitive to sativia's, perhaps [N]
[P] Appetite
[P] [N] Audio perception
[P] Humor perception
[P] Imagination/creativity
[N] Paranoia relief
[P] Sex drive (sex overdrive?)
[N] Sleep
[P+++] Pain relief
[P] [N] Speech process
[P] [N] Taste perception
[P] Thought process
[P] [N] Visual perception


EXTENDED MEDICAL SURVEY (optional)

What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT

[P] [N]ADD/ADHD
[P] [N]Alcoholism/Alcohol Abuse
[P] [N]Allergic rhinitis
[P] [N]Amphetamine Dependence
[P] [N]Anorexia
[P++] Arthritis/Musculoskeletar pain
[P] [N]Asthma/Cough
[P] [N]Bipolar disorder
[P] [N]Cancer/Chemotherapy
[P+] Chronic fatigue
[P+] Depression
[P] [N]Diarrhea
[P] [N]Drusen of Optic Nerve
[P] [N]Epilepsy
[P] [N]Glaucoma
[P] [N]Hiccough
[P] [N]High blood pressure/Racingpulse
[P] [N]Insomnia
[P] [N]Itching
[P] [N]Migraine/vascular headache
[P+] Muscle Spasm
[P] [N]Muscular movement disorders
[P] Nausea
[P] [N]Panic Attack
[P] [N]Peripheral nerve pain
[P] [N]Post traumatic Stress Disorder
[P] [N]Pre Menstrual Syndrome
[P] [N]Sedative/Opiate Dependence
[P] [N]Schizophrenia
[P] [N]SLE - systemic lupus erythematosus
[P++] Spasticity in Multiple Sclerosis

FINAL COMMENTS:

EXCELLENT for MS pain and spasticity. Depression lifter. Can cause anxiety in
some patients...dose slowly. One of a kind taste.

Unlike many imitators, this strain lives up to it's legend....weapons grade cannabis for serious pain and depression. EXTREMELY hard to find "real" clones of this strain. Often other hybrids are passed off as E-32 Trainwreck.
No seeds available.

Excellent for nerve pain, arthritis and depression...Use care when smoking to avoid overdosage.
Plants are totally coated with crystals base to top, even the stems are frosted causing the buds to appear GREY.

I love this strain. I haven't smoked any in a month. This well cured batch inspired me to write a smoke report. The bubble from TW will curl your toes.

If your eyes don't bug out...it isn't real 'wreck.

Clear Head C
11-22-2005, 01:28 AM
Excellent post, now all I have to do is find someone in canada that has some, would love to give it a try

buddyh
11-22-2005, 02:56 AM
WOW!!!!!
again I say
WOW!!!!!

ojibman
11-22-2005, 06:47 AM
Now thats the WRECK!!!!! :p Awesome report.

Merlin
11-22-2005, 07:01 AM
Sounds and looks excellent.....:) Thanks for the report...:) will move trainwreck up a notch on my wish list

Grasshopper
11-22-2005, 11:21 AM
Great report (love the comparison pics LOL).
Do I understand it right(dyslexic); strongly sativa influensed, can cause some paranoia, is a creaper, very strong, tastes yummy, and last forever. :)

If anyone finds the breeder of the true TW, please post it here, I want to try this one.

Grasshopper

reddiet
11-22-2005, 11:54 AM
Same here on those seeds. Sounds like an 11 on a 1-10 scale. Nice report
I gotta have some of these seeds

RED

anonymous
11-22-2005, 12:14 PM
What an AWSOME report thank you GM damn that was so good im going to go read it again..!! :)

leroy
11-22-2005, 12:23 PM
There are no seeds, just clones........... I am amazed at the amount of tric's on that bud......

Crazy_Eagle
11-22-2005, 02:15 PM
Very good grow report :D Looks like a nice strain.:)
C.E

rev.clone
11-22-2005, 03:03 PM
<----- wipes drool off of desk.....that is some great looking stuff GM.

Lizzielover
11-22-2005, 03:13 PM
What a great report. Thank you. I'll be searching high and low for the clones. NINE years with Rheumatoid Arthritis and major back pain have made it difficult for me to find the 'best of the best'. Sounds like the perfect strain for me and anyone with similar medical problems. I NEED the power of the 'true Trainwreck' to keep active for as long as possible. My tolarence is WAY UP THERE!
Thanks,
Lizzielover :D

hollowpoint
11-22-2005, 04:16 PM
doesn't it figure, the best ones are not available in seed? what the gene pool for trainwreck consist of? maybe we can duplicate it somehow.

gen131
11-22-2005, 07:35 PM
candy trainwreck yum. squeeze the buds and ya got hash.

hollowpoint
11-23-2005, 05:03 AM
well, I searched the world over and I thought ah found true - trainwreck? after many pages of catching up with this geneology and its not from royal blood after all, has some mexican brick weed in it. so see this newbies, one of the most sought after clones available today happened by accident, while growing schwagg. here's the apparent cross. I say that because only the breeder knows for sure-maybe.
Thai x Mexican Sativa x pre-soviet Afghani.
my version would be
napalese x haze x afghani, has anyone tried that?

Green Medicine
12-11-2005, 03:23 AM
Rumor has it as Meo Thai (lowland jungle thai vine) x UNK.Afghani...no mexican "brick weed".
Then the indica traits were supressed by selective breeding.

I imagine it would be impossible to duplicate as it came from an accidental polination...
so goes the story is told by the breeder and they have no reason to lie to me.

Besides Mexican strains are the mother of almost 50% of all the drug strains....

There is one Canadian site selling "Trainwreck Seeds" but they are someone capitalizing on the name. I hate to tell the souls I see posting photos of TW on certain cannabis sites..it ain't real TW. Anyone who has grown the real thing can ID it in a second.

hollowpoint
12-15-2005, 05:48 PM
GM for the benefit of all the med growers and users in here, could you let us know where to obtain the true E32 TW? if its that good then it should be in our stable of recommended med strains, but we have to confirm them(end product) before recommending. we also need to be assured of seed supply before a recommendation can happen. whats in it for them? plenty in sales. you get 10 people from a med site that highly recommend a strain for med use and sales will skyrocket. so where can we get some of those little oblong cases??

wescyber
12-16-2005, 12:39 PM
Unfortunately I think you would have an easier time squeezing blood from a rock, then squeezing beans from the hands of the b-man. It would probaly take an all out pilgrimage of every med user who wanted them to humboldt county.

-wes

Green Medicine
12-17-2005, 06:32 PM
You put it best wes....

Even as great as TW is ....there are other very potent medical strains to try and use.

peach
12-19-2005, 12:33 PM
Well what Happened to the Trainwreck Seeds that the site was supposed to get?? I believe that they were S1's ,,where they take the female and add some shit and turn it into a Male. This site was supposed to get some , right before all the crap started on here. If you want Trainwreck seeds they are on sale on CNET. I believe those were the seeds we were supposed to get?? Someone correct me if I am wrong. I have got a Couple of strains from DR. **** collection of crosses with the Real Trainwreck.
Have a Great Day...Peace..Peach

THISISME
12-19-2005, 02:05 PM
I have some of MedUser’s Trainwreck from his site $ 30.00 and some of jojorizo’s Trainwreck S1’s $ 75.00 from C-Bay on the way. Jojo claims his is the real deal clone sex reversed and pollinated another female. I am unsure of how MedUser was able to produce the seeds in his lineup as it’s not in the strain description.

So Green Medicine, are you saying I got taken and that both of these strains are not the real deal?

THISISME

Green Medicine
12-19-2005, 07:00 PM
TIM,

All I can say is the S1's MAY be real...I don't know if the "selfed" parent was trainwreck or not....

I have seen and smoked a few different "TW" S1's that were not TW and some S1's that were from real TW but just don't seem to have the desireable traits in the Sx progeny. TW seeds being sold are always S1's or hybrids.

As far a Meduser.ca seeds from Woodhorse seeds...I would ask Chris.
I asked a few months ago and got a very honest answer as to why they don't look like TW.....

Then I see "Arcata Cut" listed on that site and they also say 1982 "original TW" and something called "GIANT Trainwreck" seeds???? Again I would ask Chris about authenticity.

If you look at pictures of Woodhorse TW...it's got something else in it...

The problem with almost all TW crosses is that it dilutes the potency and brings out some of the unstabilized elements. Many crosses are great meds.....but not quite the impact of TW.

Peach,

The seeds in question (for TY) were not S1's...they were from original seeds, so they are F1 generation and were tested for quality.

I have no info on the status of that offer.

pflover
12-19-2005, 07:02 PM
last i heard that offer has been withdrawn after marco got busted.

THISISME
12-19-2005, 10:11 PM
Thanks Green Medicine, I will ask Meduser about the breeding of his TW. If its 50% or more TW I will cross the two strains and back cross to the S1 one in the following grow.

I plan on crossing the TW S1’s to Blueberry Sativa and Cherry Bomb II and a few others. With any luck I will end up with something special.

THISISME

wescyber
12-20-2005, 09:18 PM
I'm just curious of what people would pay for real TW seeds?

-wes