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coco_artist
05-25-2005, 02:08 PM
http://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_info2.shtml :D

coco_artist
05-25-2005, 02:15 PM
There is even a site I found for those interested ( a forum for growing)

http://www.poppies.org/

swampy
05-25-2005, 02:25 PM
why post opium stuff on a MMJ page?

coco_artist
05-25-2005, 02:27 PM
for the terminally ill that need it swampy

pflover
05-25-2005, 02:48 PM
can't most terminally ill patients get much more effective opioids from there docs? i'm not quite sure i get it. interesting references tho.

coco_artist
05-25-2005, 02:55 PM
Well, I have a very bad reaction to Morphine and can't take it PF and from what I understand there are many people like that? Maybe the more natural form would be different? I have heard of people using the plant for this, I wonder why they would if you could get better meds from a pharmacy? :confused:

pflover
05-25-2005, 03:12 PM
codeine is metabolized into morphine in vivo.

the primary active consituent of poppy tea is morphine.

however i admit that the stuff in poppy tea is not likely to come in the form of morphine HCl or morphine sulfate and these slight variations might make a difference. it is also true that the other 400 or so alkiloids in the poppy have modifying effects on morphine and for many allow it to have a stronger anagiesic effect than pure morphine would alone.

In The Wind
05-25-2005, 03:57 PM
Hmmm, well, having been a member at P.org for a very, very long time please allow me this;
Poppies.org is not a "growing" site, but is very much like this site, only concerned with a different natural remedy also held captive by the government. There you can find info not just on growing, but on every aspect of opiate chemistry from pod to plunger. There, just as here, you can find folks who are highly educated, highly motivated, and compassionate toward those in need.

The poppy may not be your flower of first choice, but do not deny others their choice of remedy as you have been denied yours,

Thebaine is but one of the constituents of the poppy, much as THC is but one of many active components of pot.

I would not recommend poppy tea because it is messy, hard on equipment, and I guarantee it to be the nastiest tasting substance you will ever encounter. Raw latex or even “cooked” opium is the most effective, natural, and healthy choice for some types of pain control.

It’s not a good candidate for indoor growers just due to the sheer plant mass required for adequate med production…..

I grow it in mass every season; it’s a spring flower so it fits in nicely with most outdoor growing projects.

pflover
05-25-2005, 04:28 PM
"I would not recommend poppy tea because it is messy, hard on equipment, and I guarantee it to be the nastiest tasting substance you will ever encounter. Raw latex or even “cooked” opium is the most effective, natural, and healthy choice for some types of pain control."

not sure i totally agree. poppy espresso ain't that messy, isn't that hard on the equipment once you learn how to do it right, and altho isn't pleasent is quite drinkable.

tea made from poppy straw (stems) mixed with some mint tea can actually be quite anjoyable and is great for cough supression during colds.

i admit tho that dehidrated poppy tea tastes better and can be also taken as a pill of needed.

raw latex however is just about one of the worst things you can stick in your mouth. it causes foaming and can be used to simulate rabies in animals.

In The Wind
05-25-2005, 05:39 PM
[QUOTE=pflover
raw latex however is just about one of the worst things you can stick in your mouth. it causes foaming and can be used to simulate rabies in animals.[/QUOTE]

Well Damn, it that whats been causing all that dam foaming and rabid desire to bite folks? ;)

I dunno pf, it's gotta be as old a remedy as mother hemp...refined (cooked) opium is a later development...

pflover
05-25-2005, 05:43 PM
true and raw latex is a HELL of a lot stronger that the water extract that comes from tea per volume. it numbs the mouth on contact. but that does not stop it from being increadibily bitter and nasty :p

course humans seem able to learn to like just about anything. ;)

michael
05-25-2005, 05:56 PM
I drank the tea for years, many years... :o ...But it works and is very raw. Proper doseage is a must! Or a BIG headach could happen... :(

coco_artist
05-25-2005, 06:32 PM
"however i admit that the stuff in poppy tea is not likely to come in the form of morphine HCl or morphine sulfate and these slight variations might make a difference. it is also true that the other 400 or so alkiloids in the poppy have modifying effects on morphine and for many allow it to have a stronger anagiesic effect than pure morphine would alone."
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Wouldn't it just be like my Marijuana compared to my Nabilone? :confused: One is natural and works and the other is synthetic. It works, but has side effects.

pflover
05-25-2005, 07:12 PM
good point and no reasonable come back. :)