Butane extraction tips needed.

[KnowBudz]

I had given up on receiving the Honey Bee eXtractor I ordered on August 23. Long story but, out of the blue, someone called a few days before Xmas and it was sent and came yesterday. After looking it over, I wonder how, in good conscience, they can charge $25 for it!
Anyway, I have a case of King butane, plenty of, er, "source material" and I'd like some tips.
1. What's the best way to prepare the herb? They say to have it "dry and fine as dust.
2. Once made, what's the best way to store the oil? How do you get it in a vial?
3. How long can one store the oil and are there ways to better preserve it?
4. What's the best way to smoke it?
I know what I think about this stuff but I'm sure those of you have done this before know better than this rookie.

[PharmaPharmer]

1. If you have a bunch to process just use your hands to break up the weed. It needs to be pretty dry but no special measures to dry it beyond smokability are needed.

2. Wide mouth jar. To get it into a vial just heat it up and it will flow.

3. Don 't know how long it stores. No matter how much I make it goes real fast.

4. Whatever way works best for you. Hot knife, on a joint, on a bowl, on a cig, etc..... The best way is the way that get's you medicated!

[Yrekagrow]

those extractors seem like a rip off to me too :( it's MAYBE worth $10 if that...

1) not sur whats best, but i put it in a clean coffie bean grinder first, after about 45seconds or grinding anything in there is powder..
2) i use a bendy razor blade to scrape it off the dish and then i use a saftey pin to scrape it off the blade, then drip it off the saftey pin into the vial by applying heat
3) untill you smoke it... lol i'm not sure what it's shelf life is but i keep mine in a cool dry drawer ontop of a rolling paper...
4) i like to drip it on hash and melt it in with the lighter for about 2.5 seconds before i take acouple pulls off it... i also swear by driping a glob onto you load befor you take a vape hit... very effective if you use the heat gun type of vape unit...


PF seems to be the TY hash/oil expert and i'm sure she'l chime in here... take care and be safe :)

[In The Wind]

Yep, dry your stuff well, run it trough one of those bladed coffee grinders…

I’ve never seen the honey bee, I made mine out of black pipe…works like a charm.

I use syringes to store my oil in the freezer..You don’t need the needle, just the body and you can “back load” them right from the pan or what ever you spray into.

Just keep in mind that the body of the extractor will get ice cold instantly, so wear gloves and use only the very best butane…normally colibri

[KnowBudz]

Thanks for the feedback. You should see the instructions that came with the thing. They're filled with misspelled words and poor grammar....very third-rate especially in this day and age.
I'm also wondering about second runs. Is it worth the butane to charge the load twice (or more)?
It seems logical that grinding the herb, thereby increasing surface area would be a good thing. I have a Contero pin grinder but that would take forever to grind any qty of herb. They say to use between 7-28g for a load. I was thinking of either a half or full oz and using my little Krups grinder that I use for Cannabrex to do it.
I have read that some dissolve the oil in a bit of solvent (butane or alcohol) to assist in getting it into a vial, then letting it evaporate off. I can't imagine a syringe...doesn't it stick terribly? I imagine this is pretty viscous, almost tar-like stuff.

[Yrekagrow]

It seems logical that grinding the herb, thereby increasing surface area would be a good thing. I have a Contero pin grinder but that would take forever to grind any qty of herb.

use a coffie bean grinder, you can get one for 10 bucks at walmart :D

[In The Wind]

Well that's the point. Once you evap the butane you're left with some very sticky stuff. Back load it into a syringe straight from the pan, once full you put in the plunger and you can put it into the freezer. When you use it, it's very easy to dispense...that's just my experience...

[pflover]

Anyway, I have a case of King butane, plenty of, er, "source material" and I'd like some tips.
1. What's the best way to prepare the herb? They say to have it "dry and fine as dust.
2. Once made, what's the best way to store the oil? How do you get it in a vial?
3. How long can one store the oil and are there ways to better preserve it?
4. What's the best way to smoke it?
I know what I think about this stuff but I'm sure those of you have done this before know better than this rookie.

is the king butane tripple refined? always use tripple refined or better.

1. i grind my leaf or other materal in a coffee grinder. this requires that a good fliter be used. mine is cloth but i don't use a honeybee so i don't know how that might change things.

2. i use dark vials for storage. i use a razor to scrape up the oil and then heat the razor just enough to get the oil to slide into the vial. a straw can also be used to get the last bits of residue. (thanx grant). i like ITW's idea too.

3. in a dark container it can be stored for years most likely. light will degrade it faster than any other one thing. in the freezer it could last for ever i bet.

4. there are many ways. outside of a j. on a bowl of ash in a hash pipe or bong. or in an oil pipe. wong bong makes a very good one. cheapvaporizors work well too. :)

Good Luck

Ally

[zach]

i made one out of a baby bottle and the tip insert off the cap on large butane take plastic baby bottle and trow nipple away inless you have baby save it, take botle and on the bottom end drill hole with anpointy object and then make big enuff for what ever size the outfeed on the butane canister nipple is making sure it will be tight fit once baby bottle is filled with bud shake or what ever take standard coffee filter or two and place over bottle opeing then screw cap minus baby nipple down tight. get glass dish or what we use is a large babe fod jar its glass too any way insert butane canister onto the filler tip that you installed on the end of baby bottle wear glove or towel over hand cuz its going to get cold now also you can place bottle in freezer for over nite or hours what ever you get the idea colder the better once you have run a good amount of butane through the baby bottle over a glass eazy to scrap dish of some sort place thar dish in a in hot tap water not boiled water evaporation of butane is extreamlly low and make sure you have plenty of ventaliton too it wil speed the evap time up the oil is pure and lovely. ok heres my trick to get it al out take some good bud and crumble or grind and put it in the last part of your vile or even full youll just have to add more bud cuttings then heat it up and stir the clippings in it wil turn very viscus and pour out like lava every last drop. and if this dont work e-mail hevymeds with all your complaints lol just kidin but serious do it lol

[pflover]

ALLWAYS make sure to do BHO outside.

sorry i forgot to say that earlier.

Zack i like the baby bottle idea. :)

[Happyplant]

Here is a good thread. http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?s=&threadid=556897&highlight=honey%20extractor

I have a question though. I made a unit just like the one in the link. This was my first extraction attempt and when I used it the butane just shot right through the other end. I didn't grind up the buds because try to get a better product like stated in the thread. The oil that i did get (very little)was black like tar. I used colibri butane packed the tube and followed all directions. Could it be the weed? I made some bubble with some of it and the shit would't even absorb water. This is some AK from a few months ago no real sign of mold and it don't smell bad. Should have i just ground it up instead?Any ideas?

[KnowBudz]

The filters supplied with the Honey Bee are simply circles of coffee filter. I'll have to experiment and see if one layer is adequate.
I did quite a bit of research on butane and lots of folks recommended King. It is triple refined and isn't terribly expensive. The distributer is in Texas.

[In The Wind]

Dark oil = dirty weed...

It's like hash. It can be difficult to get a good product from weed grown outside…lotsa dirt and crap in the bud. I’ve noticed that brick pot will make dirty refined products more often than not.

[Yrekagrow]

happyplant, if your butan is immeadiatly coming out the other end, then i tnink your not getting much of a rinse... you need to grind it up, the pressure that builds up when you use ground up bud is criticle for getting decent oil yields... my 1.5 cents...

[Happyplant]

In the wind, This is some ak from an inside job itnever fished out right, but it still gets ya high.

Yrekagrow, That what I was thinking, I was following the thread I posted so I didn't break it up for the first run. Well I pushed so much butane through that I didn't have any left for a second run. oh well I'll just have to get some more. Until then I have plenty of kiff.

[pflover]

i don't like to grind to a powder usually with bud, just brake it up in my sweatleaf grinder. black oil? only time i have ever gotten that from bho it was made from mexi-shwag. happy, i would suggest you pack tighter, or grind, or use more filters. either way you want the butaine to become liquid for a little while do to presure. if it doesn't than it can't cary anything away from the buds.

[Happyplant]

Thanks pf I'm going to grind and pack tighter next time. how packed should it be? like in a joint?

That sounds like I'm talking about something else.lol

[pflover]

yeah like a joint. if you pack it too tight the butane will not pass through properly and a lot gets left behind. a good test is try to blow through if you can make some air go through with your lungs then it is not too tight, if you have to struggle it is too tight. do not breath into the tube too much tho because the moisture in your breath can inhibit proper extraction. if air passes through really easily it is probably not packed tight enought. the joint analogy is actually a really good one. :D

[In The Wind]

yea pf,
it was some of the nastiest brick I've seen from our friends in the south...if you remember I posted pics of a syringe full of dark oil, but I've never used any filtering beyond a metal screen in the bottom of the pipe...I'll try adding paper filters next time and see how that goes. The commercial brick going around is a much better quality also....

I note that the canadians seem to use alcohol instead of butane...do you have any experience going that route?

[pflover]

alcohol produces a very different product. i have much more experience here than i do using butane. personally i prefer making bho from brick weed or stems or other sources with a lower thc ratio. high thc bho just doesn't do it for me for long by itself. tho as a treat now and then it is quite nice. for high thc oil i prefer quick wash with alcohol that has been kept in the freezer. then if i want to improve the over all end product further i let the alcohol sit in the freezer over night with some activated charcoal. in the morning i filter out the charcoal and let it evap. this is also how i make tincture. the charcoal step is really improtant for tincture if you want paletable tincture.