Helicopter flyovers?

[billyum269]

hello everyone i heard that the police in the US usually fly over neiborhoods with thermal imageing to look for grow rooms. is this true? could some body give me a little more info on this especially for the new england states?

[Happyplant]

Yeah, They do it all the time. If one flew over already I bet they already seen your house and they are on there way. LOL j/k. I've heard of them doing it before but I have no experience with it. I think it depends on the budget of your police if they can even afford it.

[billyum269]

lol you had me going their for a secod thanks for the helpful info

[pflover]

this is not legal in the US and there have been numerous court cases against it.

they can only use this technique against you if they already suspect you otherwise it is unreasonable search (and sezure). even if they are there to look at your neighbors house and notice yours they cannot use this as the only reason to enter your house. they can use it as a reason to start investigating you i beleive tho.

[burnonedown]

Its most common in Hawaii and western states. A local grower was just busted around here and the news paper said the electricity co.tipped the cops off, but i dont know.

[pflover]

like burnonedown here suggests they had to be tipped off first. outdoor crop flyovers are another matter tho.

[Rept]

I get copters that fly over my place so i just give them the the finger and say have a nice day :)aint heard of anyone round here ever gettin popped
in such a manner it was always the somone one told on some 1 crap or the phone,gas,eletrical peeps.....just dont let them in the house:)
why i own a dog.....woof woof
peace
Rept

[rev.clone]

i know for fact it is done all across the states. if your county sheriff's office can afford the equipment then they do it. Broward county Sheriff would fly grid patterns to detect grow ops all the time. then they would sit on the house to watch all the traffic. once they had enough evidence those men with the machine guns came to your door at 3 am.

now just because you have a thermal signature doesn't mean your growing dope. you can have a indoor vegetable garden or prized roses let's say. hell i had 1000 watt MH on my old marine tank for my corals. if you have 3000 watts and move 3lbs. of product out your door every month than you may have problems. but, if you have a personal grow that NOBODY know's about you have very little to fear. remember, once you tell someone you now run the risk of being caught. friends get angry, ex lovers can get spiteful, and both will report you to the authorities.

[nuevogro]

A few years back a friend of mine got a knock on his door at 2AM, and LAPD was there. No SWAT teams or riot gear, but they used a fake story of "someone called 911 from this house and we have to check it out." He let them in, but all they found was an Internet computer hosting setup in his spare bedroom. Seemed they found some strong heat signature from that room. Cop said, "Oh, that would do it. Must have have been all these computers." That room did face the street too.

[pflover]

i'd have sued those cops. as the laws stand in most states it would have been well within your friends rights.

[krazyken]

It's pretty sad, that police (who are people to) would want a job of invading peoples privacy! But then again, they don't worry about that! They look out for each other, and can do what they want to others, like bullies, and power trippers! Why do they do that??? BECAUSE THEY CAN !! Uncle Sam said so!! :eek:

KK :cool:

[Sky High]

grow under powerlines.... choper ( pilots) don`t like that .

[P Brownie]

They usually only do flyovers in big crowed places like L.A. Normal small town pigs dont usually have the cash or care. But then again, maybe this is just Alaska!:D

[Green Medicine]

I think it's illegal in L.A. as well to do IR searches.

[In The Wind]

Doesn't that fall under "reasonable expectation of privacy"?

For sure the power co. will turn you in, they've done it here.

[pflover]

LOL the power company here wants the gods damned money, they don't give a damn what you are doing with your power as long as you pay for it. heh

it's when you stop paying your outragiously high power bill that you have to start to worry. then they got no reason not to say something. sooner you are busted the sooner they can get a paying costumer into that residence.

and yes, IR fly overs are prohibited under reasonable expectation of privacy.

hell if you are really paraniod about it you gots to realize that there are satlites now easily capable of spotting a grow op, indoors or out. chances of this being used on you unless you have huge operation is very low tho. either way the real baddies (the feds) don't even need copters to check up on you.

[P Brownie]

Whatever. If you get busted you get busted. I always use florescents because they are almost invisible to heat detection and I could never afford a $300 MH or HPS.

[Green Medicine]

Watt per watt fluros put out the almost the same heat as an HID...IR doesn't look for HID's or Flouros, it looks for heat. Flouros just spread out the heat along the fixture and HID's are more of a single point of heat.

BUT you room, closet whatever still heats up the same. That's what they look for....areas much warmer that is expected.

The flouros don't get detected by IR is folklore......sad but true.

[pflover]

now LED's might be different matter...... yet to be seen......

but i have to agree with GM on this one. fluoros and hid produce similer heat watt/watt.

[P Brownie]

Then why can plants grow into them without being burned? How about the fact that when you dont touch them you dont get burnt?

[sweetstik]

;) i wouldent worry to mutch about choppers yes they have thermal detection but is verry costly so unless your big your a spec of sand on a mile of beach also ther are many efective ways to avoid thermal detection.what we all should worry about is satilight tecnology they can look at you spacificly daily at verry low cost becaus its ther 24 7 anyway.belev me i know growers who have been afected by this tecnology i live on the west cost of bc canada and it is going to get harder to hide i have a med pass isued by my medical doctor so i no longer have to hide but those who are not yet leagal(I STRESS YET) be aware ther are other things out ther study up on
:eek: safe and silent growing always;)

[P Brownie]

Damn. You lucky bastard! Yeah, I agree with Sweet. If they really want to bust you they'll just use the officer friendly trick. You know, where they come to your door and say if you just let them in and show them your plants and confess they'll let you off. Always ask for badges and a warrent. NEVER open the door if they dont have a warrent. Once you open it they have the right to search your whole house. Be smart and stay tokin'.

[Opus]

In Canada thermal imaging IS legal....bummer. NOT in the USA, as in fishing for grow-opps. They can't use it in court anyways...

[Opus]

On another note, grows deep within the home are hard to detect, it's them outside walls and roof area that ya need to sheild.... or any windows, even if they are boarded up.

[thegypsyrebel]

Under the patriot act, it is "legal" for law enforcement agencies to arbitrarily do anything they darn well please for any excuse, or none at all. It would be healthy for more folks to do the research and find these things out for themselves rather than depend on the opinions of others. Heads up people. They "want" us all to believe that they have governing restrictions on how they operate when the unspoken reality of it is, that they do not. Unspoken in large part but it IS written. Every citizen should study the patriot act, then you will be afraid more for what you DO know, than for what you don't.

[pflover]

The patriot acts power DOES very from state to state. YES the feds can still us it in a state like oregon but the willingness of some states to freely participate in the partriot act is just not there. The feds don't like oregon for many reasons. our stance on the patriot act is just one of them.

[Green Medicine]

I politely disagree...

It does not vary from state to state...and states have zero control over it.

"Domestic" is defined in the act as: The 50 states, The district of columbia, all US protectorates and military installations, embasy's and coastal water of the US.....

[nuevogro]

I have to agree with both GM & PFL. :)

The PATRIOT Act is the same nationwide, but what the locals do with it might be differ. Also local laws might be enacted that counter some provisions of the PATRIOT Act, but those would only apply to the local law enforcement. Local laws might prohibit local law enforcement from using/enforcing particular parts of the PATRIOT Act, but if it doesn't then you have a situation where it will probably be decided by a judge whether local or federal law takes precedence in the case.

Feds aren't limited by your stinkin local laws, as well evidenced in the California MMJ raids.

[pflover]

GM the feds tried, unsuccessfully to sue the city of portland for NOT complying with the partiot act. our mayor and our cheif of police flatly refused to question and detain people without any other cause than their ethnicity. just about the only good thing this cheif of police has done for us.

[pflover]

i do concede the feds came in and did it on their own without our help tho..... but at least we politely decented. :)

[Ziggy]

now LED's might be different matter...... yet to be seen......

but i have to agree with GM on this one. fluoros and hid produce similer heat watt/watt.

I am confused on this post pflover are you saying if I had a 400 MH i could do just as well by using floros for veg isn't the 400 MH the closest to Natural Sunlight as one could get or am i confused which is probably the correct answer lol.

[thegypsyrebel]

While it may be true in some instances that certain local governments and judicial systems can resist or override some of the guidelines called out in the patriot act, you can rest assured that the feds will not put up with it indefinitely. They already have a plan to overcome these difficulties. This is one of the very reasons why they plan to reduce the number of states down to ten. If individual states were truly sovereign, the DEA would not have the power to prosecute the distribution of medicinal MJ in California where it is allegedly legal. The loopholes will eventually be patched. It's just a matter of time.

[groo]

I know this thread has drifted to other topics, but I found this and thought it relevant. How can the aboriginal peoples claim discrimination when it's too much work for them to even show up to meetings about the issue?

http://www.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.html?id=4d9f39b8-5bb5-430e-b91d-c254d665fb60&k=66643



No natives at police race relations report
Saskatoon StarPhoenix
Wednesday, March 22, 2006

SASKATOON -- There were no aboriginal officials present Wednesday when the Saskatoon police commission released its final report on how to improve race relations in the community.

"It came as a surprise to us. We didn't even know it was being released today,'' said Ron Wilson, director of justice for the Saskatoon Tribal Council Urban First Nation Services Inc.

Wilson said he immediately sent an e-mail to the city to ask why the tribal council was left out, particularly since it was a member of the committee that developed the report's recommendations.

Mayor Don Atchison said members of the committee weren't part of the news conference because the report was being released by the police commission. The committee fashioned the report, then handed it off to the commission, which took ownership of it, he said.

"This is the board's report,'' said Atchison, who is also chairman of the police commission. "They've seen it before. Today was the board of police commissioners presenting it.''

A draft version of the committee's report was released last September for feedback. It contained several strategies, steps and actions "designed to enhance the level of trust and confidence between the Saskatoon community and its police service.''

The final report identifies 16 responsibilities of the Saskatoon Police Service and its board of commissioners. Another 17 are identified as provincial responsibilities.

The former include the need for aboriginal liaison officers, diversity training for all officers, ongoing training for anger management, human relations education and dispute resolution.

The report also suggests the police service needs to "sell'' itself at aboriginal schools in order to recruit more native officers. The service is also encouraged to implement programs in which aboriginal high school students spend a day at the police station.

The strategic renewal committee was conceived after a government inquiry into the freezing death of aboriginal teenager Neil Stonechild. His body was found on Saskatoon's outskirts in 1990. His case became the flashpoint for an inquiry after two more aboriginal men were found frozen to death beyond city limits in January 2000.

Another man, Darrell Night, then came forward with his story about being dumped by two police officers in the same area. Relations between police and the aboriginal community plummeted.

About half the report's recommendations have already been implemented, Atchison said.

"When we talked about taking action, we knew it was our responsibility to take the first steps. We have done that,'' he said.

"And now it is up to the Saskatchewan Police Commission and the Saskatchewan minister of justice to play their important role in the process.''

The police commission is requesting additional funding from the province, although Atchison wouldn't provide a figure. The money would go toward hiring six aboriginal officers and creating a mentoring program.

The report has been submitted to Justice Minister Frank Quennell and the Saskatchewan Police Commission.
© Saskatoon StarPhoenix




Copyright © 2006 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest MediaWorks Publications, Inc.. All rights reserved.

[groo]

Think about what I'm saying here, people: if they're that concerned about race relations, they should have been talking to the groups in question about their concern. Someone pinned on such issues would have been quick to mention this upcoming report.

It's much easier to sit around and bitch than go talk to the people you have issues with, isn't it?

[soulmate]

Back to the Helicopters> They fly here also but not to close to the ground, they are on their way to a grow, already found. But ever way up in the sky, they shake the house and make a very load HUMP< HUMP<HUMP. Scares the shit out of you.

[groo]

I dunno. I get jets in holding patterns overhead all the time. I could be annoyed at the noise, or I can watch them drift by under the stars and remember some of the flights I've taken over the years.

[Dankdude]

I don't believe that it has gotten to the supreme court yet, but opinions from both the 5th circuit court and the 9th circuit court of appeals have said that flyover thermal imaging was a violation of privacy.

[pflover]

"This is one of the very reasons why they plan to reduce the number of states down to ten."

Ummmm, WTF are you talking about?!?!?!? i'm sorry but i simply don't buy that.

"If individual states were truly sovereign..."

There is only one truely sovereign state left that i know it and that is texas. in all technical reality texas still it's own sovereign nation and has never given this up.

[thegypsyrebel]

You have never heard of the NEWSTATES CONSTITUTION either I suppose, it was drafted a long time ago, waiting for its time to come into effect. If you ask me WTF I'm talking about then obviously you have not been doing your homework. I sure hope you get curious and do your own research. I could stack mountains of web links here for you to look at. Do your own research. I got my info long before there ever was an INTERNET and I got it from very prominent, very knowledgeable sources. If you are advertising your business on this or any other site, on emails or on the phones, cell or landline you are putting yourself at risk PERIOD!. Medical pot is "legal" in california right??? WRONG honey, if it WERE legal, WHY are the people providing it to others being busted for it. If CANADA is so pot liberal, WHY has Marco had so many legal issues. and stopped sending seeds and meds out. PROPAGANDA, SPREADING MIS-INFORMATION...It's all taught in the big colleges back east where future politicians learn to be the liars and duplicitous RATS that they truly are. Believe what you want. But do me a favor, find out for YOUR OWN GOOD that I am flat out wrong. THE LAW CAN DO WHAT IT WANTS. PERIOD. I will stop posting and let all of you who think you have constitutional rights protecting you find out for yourselves how wrong you really are. THE NATION IS GOING TO CHANGE IN UNIMAGINABLE WAYS and many remain blissfully ignorant. I have already put MYSELF at risk by being here and trying to impart some WISDOM to you folks. If you don't want it, it's your own choice. This will be my last post on this site. There are too many doubters and naysayers who simply do not want to put the work I have put in to obtain and absorb what I know 20 years of hearing, reading and proving what is BS and what is not. I didnt get it by hanging out in chatrooms all day, thats for sure. How many of you know that everything your computer puts out on the web, can easily be traced BACK to your computer??? how many of you know WHY everything you send out is vulnerable to being traced???. Using WINDOWS??? SURPRIZE! you're on candid camera!. Do the research and find out for yourself instead of asking me why I say what I say. I already know, I'm trying to KEEP WELL MEANING and IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT OF JAIL to put it bluntly. Now that I have broadcast this on the hackable and traceable "digital airwaves" so to speak, I'm going to go and change my IP address. I strongly suggest that anybody who has admitted to, and sent pictures of, anything of a criminal nature do the same. Keep ALL of your legally questionable "data" on on CDs or DVDs which can be rendered unreadable quickly and easily in an energency and keep your hard-drive CLEAN. Keep your modem physically disconnected from your PC at all times when not in use and re-format your computer frequently. It might sound like a pain in the ass but doing time is more-so.
Give the law as little corroborating evidence as possible even if it is hugely inconvenient. Don't openly admit that you are a "legal user" because when the law changes, or is over ridden by higher powers, you'll be first on their hit list. EXERCISE WISDOM... Peace and God bless... I'm outta here.

[LilBossHawg]

Thanks GypsyRebel, this is a most interesting topic and a very important one, that we all should try to educate ourselves about. I totally agree with you and support you fully, as I have seen alot of evidence and information, of many things that you have discussed here openly. I have been to tight lip to really discuss it, as I am often confronted with much of the same resistance, as you have met here. I commend you Rebel! A Job well done!

[pflover]

Run and hide like a stray dog and that is all anyone else is likely to ever see. stand up tall and do right by what you know is right in your heart and you can change the world. TGR, i know your heart is in the right place but my personal ethics will never let me agree with your advice. I can only follow my heart.