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GreenThumb
05-29-2005, 04:25 PM
Found at OverGrow...

Has anyone had any experience with this?
Seems to make sense to me.

http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?s=&threadid=641206

WeldFlash420
05-29-2005, 04:59 PM
Diluted ....yes it can and has been reported to be one of the best forms of ferts there is...do I pee on my plants???Nope not even entertaining the thought...lol.

anonymous
05-29-2005, 05:41 PM
i just couldnt bring myself to do such a thing seems so "unright" but then again thats just me... ;)

GreenThumb
05-29-2005, 06:18 PM
Well I was wondering about cow shit and bat shit and chemicals etc. that we buy from fertilizer companies.

dgbaker
05-29-2005, 06:54 PM
Subject: Humanure or Human Waste Used as a "fertilizer"
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:24:10 -0400
From: Stephen Tvedten <steve@getipm.com>
Organization: Get Set Inc. (www.getipm.com)

To: Paul Helliker <phelliker@cdpr.ca.gov>
Director, State of California, Department of Pesticide Regulation

cc: Christine Whitman whitman.christine@epa.gov

Dear Mr. Helliker, I thought you might like to read an article dated; May 20, 2002 from the National Post entitled: UBC warns of cancer path: from sewage to farms to you Records show 20% of fertilizers violate microbe limits by Margaret Munro.

VANCOUVER - Health officials are being urged to stop using treated human sewage on grazing land because of the danger of cancer-causing toxins getting into the food chain.

A report by researchers at the University of British Columbia for the province's medical health officers warns that the toxins from human sewage -- biosolids -- could accumulate in grazing cattle and certain vegetables such as cucumbers.

And federal records obtained by the National Post show almost 20% of fertilizers and composts made from human sewage and other matter, and used widely throughout the country on lawns and gardens, are in violation of federal limits for microbial contamination.

The UBC researchers are recommending that municipal governments stop using biosolids to fertilize grazing land until more research can be done.

Grazing cattle and cows swallow not only grass but some of the dirt it grows in. Cows can eat almost a kilogram of soil a day and if that soil contains a lot of biosolids, contaminants such as dioxins and furans -- which can cause cancer -- could build up in the animals' tissues and end up in the human food chain when people eat beef.

Vancouver trucks close to 50,000 tonnes of biosolids a year into the B.C. interior, where much of it is spread on ranchland as fertilizer.

The report says there is a great need for further data on the relationship between biosolids application and its impact on agricultural land. In the meantime, it recommends against using biosolids on grazing land.

Federal records also point to problems with microbial contamination of fertilizers and composts made from human sewage, animal manure and food waste. These fertilizers are sold across the country.

The records show 18% of fertilizers or composts tested last year were in violation of federal limits for microbial contamination.

"Just imagine if you spread that stuff on your lawn and then a little kid goes by and picks it up and chews on it," said Dr. Coleman Rotstein, president of the Canadian Infectious Diseases Society.

Inspectors from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), which enforces the Fertilizers Act, tested 55 fertilizers and composts. Of 21 tested for fecal coliforms, 24% had levels above the allowable limit of 1,000 fecal coliforms per gram of compost or fertilizer.

And 15% of 34 fertilizers tested for salmonella were over the limit set for that bacterium, which is three salmonella for every four grams of fertilizer or compost.

Fecal coliforms and salmonella are considered "indicator" species because they are such hardy microbes. If they survive sewage treatment and composting processes, so might more serious pathogens.

CFIA officials refuse to identify the "non-compliant" fertilizers and compost. And they will provide no details on how high the bacterial counts were. Nor are they keen to discuss whether more monitoring is needed given the 18% non-compliance rate.

"I'd prefer not to comment on that," says Dr. Kate Billingsley, acting national manager of the CFIA's fertilizer section.

Dr. Billingsley says there is a "negative bias" in the statistics because inspectors target material they suspect might have problems.

She said non-compliant products are held back and returned to their producer for further treatment or disposal. If they come from outside the country, she says, they are sent back. Some fertilizers, such as Milogranite, are produced from the sewage sludge of U.S. cities. mmunro@nationalpost.com

http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20020520/282281.html&qs=biosolids


Copyright © 2002 National Post Online

********************

Dr. Coleman Rotstein
Professor of Medicine / Infectious Disease Consultant
E-mail: crotstei@mcmaster.ca
E-mail: crotstei@fhs.mcmaster.ca

McMaster University
Hamilton Health Sciences Centre,
711 Concession St.,
Hamilton ON
L8V 1C3

Canadian Infectious Disease Society (CIDS)
http://cids.medical.org

********************

Dr. Kate Billingsley
Biotechnology Officer / Acting National Manager
Bus:(613) 225-2342 (4657)
Fax:(613) 228-6629
E-mail: billingsleyk@inspection.gc.ca

Fertilizer Section
Canadian Food Inspection Agency
59 Camelot Dr
Ottawa, ON
K1A 0Y9

swampy
05-29-2005, 07:07 PM
I had a buddy who tried it , I wouldnt recommend and makes your room stink like pee and the plants grow funky(stretch and small buds) like if you use urea ferts. I couldnt stand to even go in his basement after a few months from the smell :(

hollowpoint
05-29-2005, 07:42 PM
Greenthumb: the only application I have seen used over the years, is that of animal deterrent. if one sprays urine around the border of an outdoor show, then deer, rabbits etc will avoid that area. its not foolproof and some animals did ignore the pee warning to feast on the junior buds. I agree with swampy, the use of urine in an indoor show would reek in time.

groo
05-29-2005, 11:46 PM
Urine is ureaic acid and water. The main thing it would do is act as a pH down. If the pH of the soil is high, you might well see a big difference in plant growth. However, there are far less odiforous sources of pH down for indoor use, including vinegar and products sold by any reasonable-sized garden shop (including the infamous Canadian Tire.)

HopaLong
05-30-2005, 07:46 AM
But Why piss on your bud?

Grant
05-30-2005, 09:44 AM
Soylent Green!!!!

reddiet
05-30-2005, 12:42 PM
Here is some info on urine


http://www.overgrow.com/growfaq/1347


NITROGEN Added by: snoofer
As a result of a phenomenon involving growers' increasing predisposition for urinating on their plants, I'll take a minute to touch on this. Basically, urea nitrogen CAN be a good source of Nitrogen, but I don’t advise this indoors in small containers. There are too many variables to consider and monitor.

The problem with ureas is that they FIRST must be broken down into ammonium nitrogen THEN further broken down into nitrate nitrogen. Obviously this is a lengthy process so the grower must have a much better sense of timing and be much more accurate in the dosage because while nitrate nitrogen leeches out of soil, urea and ammonium N do not. Many growers do not see immediate gains from urea and mistakenly fert again leading to toxicity and pH nightmares.

If you use piss and are happy with results, you're likely an expert or just damn lucky. Knock yourself out...but wouldn't advise it. If you insist on the golden shower, I understand that pine bark helps to facilitate the nitrification process making ammonium nitrogen available more quickly.

That said, I would still STAY AWAY from ureas.

gowgrower
06-05-2005, 09:45 AM
Watered down about 10 to 1 with water it makes a great fert, only use it every 3rd watering or so though.

Bigmouth
06-05-2005, 01:40 PM
Some many other better alternatives...Why would you smoke your....(or worse) someone elses PEE PEE!.....If it increased my yield enough or made for better smoke I might try.......but com'on....We've come further than this?

Grant
06-05-2005, 02:00 PM
I wouldn't be storing my whiz in a jar either. Might get pegged as a terrorist trying to make his own potassium nitrate for bombs.

Maybe someday we call all live in a world where it's okay to save a jar of whiz without fear of judicial persecution.

northernwymon
06-05-2005, 09:28 PM
check out:
http://www.liquidgoldbook.com/
"Liquid Gold: The Lore and Logic of Using Urine to Grow Plants tells you how urine—which contains most of the nutrients in domestic wastewater and usually carries no disease risk—can be utilized as a resource. Starting with a short history of urine use—from ritual to medicinal to even culinary—and a look at some unexpected urinals, Liquid Gold shows how urine is used worldwide to grow food and landscapes, while protecting the environment, saving its users the cost of fertilizer, and reconnecting people to the land and the nutrient cycles that sustain them. That's real flower power!"

"Pee On Earth Day, a day to bring one's urine outside to nourish plants and save water used to flush toilets, will be July 21, 2005 in the northern hemisphere (Dec. 21, 2004 in the southern hemisphere)."


and then,

"Pure concentrated urine will burn your plants; it must first be diluted with water. Typically a ratio of 1 part urine to 10 parts water is effective. "

"If you are sick the majority of pathogens that can transmit disease will die within 24 hours of leaving the body. Infections will increase both your salt content and PH values, and can contain bacteria that consume nitrates."


" Urine does have a distinctive unpleasant odor. If you mix it properly (1:10-20) then there should be no problems."

( from:Can I use My Urine as a Fertilizer?)
http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread/t-641206.html



according to:
http://www.mst.dk/publica/projects/2001/87-7944-396-6.htm
" separated urine is comparable to liquid manure."
an interesting part of the Main conclusions
was that
"female sex hormones and painkillers (one of the most popular drugs) are likely to occur in separately collected urine."
"female sex hormones from contraceptive pills (etinyloestradiol), the urine also shows a natural content of oestrogens. Vitamins and other dietary supplements were also charted."

"In addition to drugs, vitamin D was included, as it was expected to show up in high concentrations, and because large doses of vitamin D have an undesirable biological effect."


and at: http://www.ramiran.net/doc98/FIN-POST/VINERAS.pdf
"In addition to drugs, vitamin D was included, as it was expected to show up in high concentrations, and because large doses of vitamin D have an undesirable biological effect."

according to:
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/esa/jee/2003/00000096/00000002/art00012

human urine is an attractant for Anastrepha obliqua (Macquart) (West Indian fruit fly).... :(

want more links?:

well if so,try these:


http://www.geocities.com/impatients...dFertilizer.htm
(General info)

http://www.liquidgoldbook.com/
(General info, great book)

www.plant-hormones.info/auxins.htm+auxin+urine&hl=en(auxins)

http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/...5416013761.html
(Cheap ferts)

http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/...n/excretion.htm
(salt content)

http://www.craigmedical.com/urinalysis_techs.htm
(ph)

www.iees.ch/EcoEng011/downloads/EcoEng011_F2.pdf
(Swedish findings)

http://www.mst.dk/project/NyViden/2001/11040000.htm
(characterization of urine)

http://www.anarac.com/fertilizersewage_sludge.htm
(chem. ferts)

(originally found at: http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread/t-641206.html )

cajunII
06-06-2005, 11:08 AM
yukkk,thats got to smell really badd...ive used a small amount,per 3 gallons of water b4,and never really noticed a differance.do not use full strenth.....dilute with water if you use it...alot of water..

GreenThumb
07-13-2005, 03:04 PM
Another bit of information I found at this site..
http://www.geocities.com/impatients63/FreeUreaBasedFertilizer.htm

dgbaker
07-13-2005, 04:06 PM
I take Myochrysine to treat my jRA, it is actually Gold, [50 mg inta my butt every other week] yes real AU, kinda puts a whole new slant on the term "Golden Shower."

reddiet
07-13-2005, 05:23 PM
In the organic farming community, animal urine is collected by laying the floor of the barn with straw. This straw is usually collected each week and added to the compost pile along with the manure. Urine in the farms compost pile I understand but in the house I don't think so.

iggysplat
07-13-2005, 05:52 PM
No piddle on my plants.. I say stop the insanity.. Just say no to Pee pee

cbhitman
07-14-2005, 12:23 AM
its a quick nitrogen rush

Taxol
07-19-2005, 02:37 AM
Yah, ummmmm so do you think that farmers back in the day went out and bought a little Nitrate for their feilds to replenish them... hmmmmm nope, the did it the good ole way, any way they could!!!! Don't be so hastily discounting this method, can you envision a practically free grow???? freedom from the 60 dollars in nutes, with some good soil and a bucket, wow, thats very enticing to me... But I am young....