All grow permits will be removed in 2007!

[Binky]

Dear Friends;

An Exemptee by the name of "Gomer" in the MedPot.net Forums replied
the following today;

Gomer has just posted a reply to a topic that you have subscribed to
titled "Ronald Denault is the new MMAD Manager".
http://tinyurl.com/ye2k6p


Hello everyone I have been away for a while.haven't been well and
really pissed off as of late.

Just recieved my renewal papers 3 hours before expiry

Had to call the health ministers office in calgary and threaten him
with a writ of mandamus...one hour later health Canada called to
garanty I would get it in time.

Health Canada rep called me today and we had a very long
conversation and I found out that next year I will lose my Personal
Production License along with everyone else who is on the Health
Canada MMAD.

Thats right ...when the new ammendments come out in the spring we
all lose our Growing permits.

We will be obliged to purchase from PPS.

When I said that with the quantities I use it would be impossible to
afford 2000 dollars a month in meds. I was told that the neocons
don't care.

It was suggested that MMAD exemptees should form an official group
and challange Health Canada.

Basically I was told that the program will cease to function in any
effective way.

The people in charge of MMAD are constantly facing tactics and
procedual rangles designed to frustrate staff ,exemptees and Doctors.

This program for all intents and purposes will become a data base
for the cops to fill thier new prisons with medical marijuana
patients.

I'm sorry to bring this negative news to all this season..I thought
you might like to be ready.

I will not divulge the persons name as they were very honest and
concerned,but I will say that the health canada Rep believes that if
this happens all hell will break lose.

Here's Mr Denault's contact information:

Ronald Denault
Manager, Marihuana Medical Access Division
Health Canada
Marihuana Medical Access Division
123 Slater Street
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada K1A 0K9

Telephone: (613) 941-2504
Fax: (613) 952-2196

E-mail: ronald_denault@hc-sc.gc.ca

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[Marco Renda]

This is NOT going to happen not anytime soon anyways if at all. There is no way that the government would jeprodize the courts making it LEGAL as that is what will happen.

Class Action lawsuit will be put forth if they try and pull this stunt

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[carl]

All grow permits will be removed in 2007!

over my dead body. lol
i just went for a referal to see my neurologist today. it will take 6 months to see him and my license is up in april. this is just one of the pathetic roadblocks that are put in front of med users. i will send the health minister a letter telling him the situation and that if he doesn't like it, TOO BAD!

[groo]

Far too many people with agendas other than Canadian medical cannabis use are spewing propaganda to keep everyone in the Canadian medical user's community riled up and afraid.

When we are thus afraid, we don't think clearly and we make mistakes.

We read news about atrocities in the US, and forget we don't live there.

We rant about the unfairness and injustice of it all, and forget that those problems are elsewhere in the world.

We need to refocus as Canadians and try to work within the bounds of actual legislation, policies, and procedures that affect us, not foreign interests.

It might even be an idea to stop posting all the articles about US activism, as they have their own websites for promoting their fight. TY risks being shut down as a "propaganda machine" if we focus on the US problems, rather than focusing on improving the implementation of Canadian policies.

I have neither heard nor read anything about our permits being yanked, and I'd guess it's a fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) attack to keep the Canadian medical community afraid and hiding, so that the public doesn't see we're just medical users like those prescribed or using any other medication.

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing people whine about the US issues. It's distracting us and making us look like fools or puppets, subject to the whims of American activists.

At very least, maybe the news forums should be split up by nation of origin, and their appearance in "Today's Posts" restricted so we don't keep getting useful Canadian information shoved off the board by US news that doesn't really affect us.

In the cases where news affects us all, it should go in a News/International thread and be visible.

At least that is my take on where things need to go.

P.S. The ideas about co-operative business organizations and charities as the corner stone of handling medical production and distribution should dovetail nicely with legislation that has been tabled in Canada. I see no reason why the approaches would be illegal, though anyone interested in pursuing those options needs to check out the legal issues for themselves and work at it. I have other things to do with my life, and am content that I could share some ideas over the past few years that might be helpful to those with the willingness to work and earn their way, instead of whining about that society won't buy them free drugs.

[Marco Renda]

Treating Yourself is NOT just about CANADIANS! This issue is a issue WORLDWIDE and not just in Canada. Treating Yourself is here to help people WORLDWIDE by educting folks to become self seficient and respectable / responsible users.

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[groo]

I understand that, Marco, but we're getting inundated with FUD that keeps Canadian medical users paranoid about law enforcement and other perceived "threats" that aren't valid.

I've no problem with global information access, but I do have a problem with the perception that the site might be construed as "attacking" foreign policies and procedures when their citizens are responsible for standing up and demanding change, not us.

That "overgrow the US market" approach that M.E. babbled about is probably what got him in trouble.

[Marco Renda]

What is wrong with us Canadians wanting to help our fellow man whether they are located in the USA or elsewhere? Doesn't foreigh governments especially the US try and dictate to our government what they should and shouldn't be doing? Marc Emery got busted for making millions of dollars selling seeds. TY is and always will be about compassion and helping others become self seficient. Information is NOT ILLEGAL and neither is trying to educate someone ILLEGAL

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[In The Wind]

Thank you Marco,

[In The Wind]

I understand that, Marco, but we're getting inundated with FUD that keeps Canadian medical users paranoid about law enforcement and other perceived "threats" that aren't valid.

I've no problem with global information access, but I do have a problem with the perception that the site might be construed as "attacking" foreign policies and procedures when their citizens are responsible for standing up and demanding change, not us.

That "overgrow the US market" approach that M.E. babbled about is probably what got him in trouble.

We've got a ton of legal US users that don't seem to have near the sort of problems that the Canadian exemptees seem to be having. And I don't ever remember seeing "overgrow the US market". It's always been overgrow the government and that has always been in a global context.

[hollowpoint]

we have a total of what? 1500 permits in all of canada? thats not a program. there are still no doctors in my area that will sign the permit, even if you're dying. it was ok for them to prescribe me with 800mg/day of morphine, neurontin which caused me to fall asleep while standing up, celebrex which is linked to heart attacks and stroke, and a meriad of other drugs "to try" and to hell with the side effects as we have a pill for them too. with the help of some high grade product I was able to cut the morphine by 82%, discontinue the neurontin and celebrex and I don't take any other drugs at all. as of this writing he is still not signing. I conducted scientific studies and documented every step, positive and negative so as not to appear biased towards mj (which I am 100%) and gave them to him in dec 06. his comment, "well your BP is way too high and we'll have to look at starting you on something to bring it down" I said "if you look at my results, you'll quickly see that the right strain of marijuana is very effective in controlling my bp, and furthermore the BP could be high as a result of the stress caused by using an illegal product to rid my body of the pharmaceuticals which were killing me". all he said was "yah but I doubt it".
we need a list of mj friendly docs in each province that are willing to sign. now how to get that going?

[carl]

there are no borders when it comes to unjust laws

[Clear Head C]

there are no borders when it comes to unjust laws

Well put

[friartuck]

Aloha and Hau'oli Makahiki hou!
When I read the diatribe by your "countryman", Mr. Groo, the hair stood up on the back of my neck! I happen to be half Hawaiian, which is considered to be a Native American heritage. America consists of a CONTINENT my dear friend. I also happen to be approx. equal parts French Canadian, via my grandfather who was one of the founding fathers of Canada (the Coulombe family founded the town of Rosemary, they also gave birth to the organised construction industry in Canada and laid approx 15% of the railroad). The other part of my Canadian heritage, Dagneault' , also a very early ex-patriot by way of England,for religious reasons, was instrumental in orchestrating the shipping industry out of Vancouver, B.C..I am part Washoe and Okanagan, Native American (about equal parts) of which approx 75% of Okanagan home land was "appropriated" by "her majesty". The last part of my heritage was a proud participant (as a Landed Gentry via Ireland, Burdine Tucker) as a volunteer infantryman for the North in our civil war. Furthermore, my father was the youngest 'battlefield commission' to Aviation Ordinance Warrant Officer when he saved twenty seven men during the sinking of the U.S.S. Lexington aircraft carrier in the Pacific and with all due respect to my Veteran Brothers, I joined the service towards the end of the Vietnam war and possess a few decorations accrued during my Special forces tours which left me with several injuries that have me 100% disabled and in 10+++ pain for what will probably be the rest of my life. So you see, my dear friend Mr. Groo, when you you take a position that lumps an entire country into what consists of MANY, MANY DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES and ideologies you leave yourself wide open for some very nasty Kharma. I would also venture to say that you yourself have never risked your life for your convictions and your country. Lastly, I lived in Rock Creek, 30 mi. from Lake Okanagan for about two years back in the seventies and eighties helping and sharing in the joy and fruits of a fairly large grow-op. In closing my Canadian Friend, I must say that I was treated like a fellow citizen of the EARTH and we acknowledged that we were all involved in a global struggle for the rights of the common man.
I respect you as a human being and would fight to the death to defend YOUR country from insurgency with no hesitation! I suggest you make sure that from now on when you make such blanket statements, you say a short prayer prior to proceeding. Make sure your brain and heart are engaged before putting into gear your poorly chosen words that may someday hurt the feelings of someone you MAY SOMEDAY COME FACE TO FACE WITH. All my love and best wishes to you, SIR. I hope someday you learn that we are all in this struggle together, your pain is no worse than anyone elses, and I also suspect that there are more than a few OTHER AMERICANS TAKING PART IN YOUR STRUGGLE to some degree, and WE LOVE CANADIANS and I for one was deeply hurt by your thoughtless monologue. PEACE, LOVE, AND GOOD KHARMA TO ALL MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY and be sure you don't help any foreigners today! LOL!

I WISH YOU LOVE AND TRANQUILITY!
FRIARTUCK
P.S. by the way ,sir, where are you from? And just what does "Dai Bozhe! Kaplah! mean?, Mr. Canada?

[dangdonkey]

friartuck- Well said my friend, well said.

[neutrino99]

we have a total of what? 1500 permits in all of canada? thats not a program. there are still no doctors in my area that will sign the permit, even if you're dying. it was ok for them to prescribe me with 800mg/day of morphine, neurontin which caused me to fall asleep while standing up, celebrex which is linked to heart attacks and stroke, and a meriad of other drugs "to try" and to hell with the side effects as we have a pill for them too. with the help of some high grade product I was able to cut the morphine by 82%, discontinue the neurontin and celebrex and I don't take any other drugs at all. as of this writing he is still not signing. I conducted scientific studies and documented every step, positive and negative so as not to appear biased towards mj (which I am 100%) and gave them to him in dec 06. his comment, "well your BP is way too high and we'll have to look at starting you on something to bring it down" I said "if you look at my results, you'll quickly see that the right strain of marijuana is very effective in controlling my bp, and furthermore the BP could be high as a result of the stress caused by using an illegal product to rid my body of the pharmaceuticals which were killing me". all he said was "yah but I doubt it".
we need a list of mj friendly docs in each province that are willing to sign. now how to get that going?

I have to agree with you about there not being much or a program but I have to say it isn't always because our Doctors are unwilling to open their eyes or do not agree with us. There has been much information about the "cleanliness and constancy" of our sources among even supportive Doctors who try to find me compassionate sources of the legal versions of Cesamet and Sativex. (which DO help though not as good and even MORE costly if you are paying)
In my case I have three doctors that are all sympathetic and understanding of my use and I would almost go so far as to say supportive. Their whole problem lies in fear of prosecution and fear of losing a license that permits them to help alot of people instead of adopting the cause of only a few of their clients that speak up. My Doctor (though he personally wants information and reads what I give him and talks to me about the issues) was terrified I might leave one of my magazines in the waiting room. He is afraid to appear to his other, less understanding clients as sympathetic or favourable toward this cause. Who am I to be upset with a man that helped me to get my compassion membership, supervises my use and my health, continues to treat me for my pain and my person in a dignified manner with all that he knows about me personally just because he fears some retribution in his own life that might leave him unable to help me or anyone else?
The problem with our Doctors is very deep and I understand their need to be cautious all while wishing one would take my cause and sign for me.
At the end of the day....this is the world I live in today and I will continue to take care of myself in the best way I can manage and without affecting others and just have to maintain the beleif that in a just world the persecution cannot continue and if I am careful I won't be "caught" anyways and if I were I will pray for a compassionate court.

In response to the other poster....while I get everyone's point that this is a global issue I have to say that I agree with his suggestion to seperate the news issues to avoid confusion between various countries or provincial laws. OR to make the postings in two boards to make finding the resource easier. Some readers may not have the time, energy or capacity to differentiate where everyone and every post is from.

[Michelle K Rainey]

I posted this on 5 different forums last week, maybe I missed this one, sorry!


Threats have come from HC-MMAD of removing personal productions licences in 2007 again. I've spoken to Kirk Tousaw and we plan on launching a productive plan of attack before this possibly happens. I am hoping that all us exemptees will ban together when it is needed. I've already started to compile a list of the willing and if anyone would like to contribute to this please contact me.Many of us know each other well , we are a minority in this country but we have strong voices. If anyone knows an exemptee that is not in our "cyberworld" please notify them of this project and have them contact me ASAP! This is a small start but I know we can all work together to protect our lives!!
xxoo Michy

[neutrino99]

Groo's attack was a bit justified but only the attack of his harshly chosen words.
He should not have said he was "tired of whining". We all need to have compassion for the joint struggles we all share.

But while we jump on the attack...try to remember we are ALL in pain here and I don't think that anyone should ever compare their suffering as it is all relative anyways. People in pain often speak rashly in anger and frustration. I tried and hoped to read that his only real message was the confusion he feels might be created when people do not point out that their issue is American or British or Canadain or otherwise. While ALL information toward the cause is relevant some is more PERSONALLY relevant than others. I'm hoping this was all he was hoping to clarify....I tried to dismiss his frustrated responses as just that. Not personal attacks (which they sure looked like) but the rants of a frustrated man in pain. Maybe he will come back and clarify for himself because as fisherking pointed out he just may have to come face to face with some of these nice folks some day and may need something from them.

Good luck and peace to all of us - united in a common interest.
-waterlady-

[neutrino99]

Michelle
I havent seen your posting about this on the THC/TCC forums which is the Toronto Compassin Club member forum...there are many exemptees there that do not go to other forums....could you cross post? Or may I for you?

[Michelle K Rainey]

Spread the word, my list is getting long of exemptees that would be willing to come forward if need be. I just want to make contact, phone number, e-mail etc. I can give you my number by PM if it is needed!
xoMichy

[Raton]

Ugly words. Bad attitude. Good thought buried down deep.

This thread is, for example, about CANADIAN grow permits. It is probably the most important thread on the boards for Canadian exemptees to read. It should either say so in the title or (horror of horrors) go in the (as yet non-existent) Canadian News Forum.

I believe that Groo's idea should receive consideration.

Sometimes drawing a line is for clarity not segregation.

[Marco Renda]

I believe that Groo's idea should receive consideration.

I Don't because I do believe that it is segregation!

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[carl]

medpot.net has all the news mj news organized by country groo

[Raton]

This thread is, for example, about CANADIAN grow permits. It is probably the most important thread on the boards for Canadian exemptees to read.

All ideas deserve consideration. It is usually better to discuss things than it is to discard them.

Perhaps it is not a matter of a seperate forum, but a way to highlight the group that might be most interested in a particular article?

I've never joined another marijuana forum but if Medpot.net is a better source for news than TreatingYourself.com is, perhaps I should consider it.

[neutrino99]

Spread the word, my list is getting long of exemptees that would be willing to come forward if need be. I just want to make contact, phone number, e-mail etc. I can give you my number by PM if it is needed!
xoMichy

I have posted this on the forum there requesting that anyone interested either send their information to me to forward or to join the TY website and contact you directly.

Good luck!

[groo]

When I read the diatribe by your "countryman", Mr. Groo, the hair stood up on the back of my neck!

You don't know me very well yet, so please be patient in judging. I have done everything I can to help out the medical cannabis community in Canada while protecting myself and other interests I have.

I needed to flag a few issues so Marco would clarify the official TY stance on those issues, as it's his website and my making the same comments would mean nothing to any investigations that might be underway.

I'm sorry I can't explain the details to anyone. I'm not under arrest; I am not a narc; I am not a federal witness. But I do have a work history and security clearances that mean I can't explain details of a lot of issues in my life.

I hope you can understand; I apologize for sharing the "stress"; I assure you I saw no other options.