Genetics evolution ????

[milkcratejukebox]

i was wonderin if a strain can over time change it self?

i have been growing a BC Sweet God for about 4 years now, keeping one plant in every cycle. She is an amazing plant actually...i've put her through heat, bitter cold, drought, famine..she has been through it all and never fails to produce. She was even layin on her side once for 6 weeks i didnt see her fall in the back, she was gettin water from the run off of the other plants...i was goin thru a rough time then...she still gave me 51 grams of dried bud. She is a homecomin queen.

now, what i usually do is take one cutting from her and throw her into 12/12 and keep the cuttin for the next cycle...Now heres my observation, she now looks like a long and lanky sativa instead of a fat 5 to 7 khola indica. is that possible?.. that she may have over the years gone back to the 20% sativa in her genetics? She never lost any potency or tric production. She has been cloned roughly 17 times over the 4 years. i do have some seeds from her original pack to start over.

but... after 4 years...

it's tuff to say goodby to her but im phasin her out. i did set her up with a Babilonia Male kinda like a "one for the road" thingy ....(and i got 4 of their babies goin for the next cycle.)

SO, do or can hybrids change themselves over time, because of so much clonin..or is that a dumb question


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[johnleepeddimore]

not sure but looking forward to see what others have to say

[Diskrete]

Yes, they can change with each generation. You are taking a clone from a clone from a clone. The original mothers genes are still there, however not as strong or prevalent. This is actually an issue that we in So California have had to deal with. Many people are getting cuts from unknown sources (past generations) and then someone believes they are getting a cut from the mother so they naturally clone her out and use this next generation. It is not necessarily a bad thing, if she is still producing the effects you like and has not dropped in potency or yield then I would keep going with her, if however she is showing signs of decreased potency OR yield Then it is time to start over. atleast you know the source of your seeds genes, when buying clones out here you can never be sure of their initial source...

[johnleepeddimore]

Yes, they can change with each generation. You are taking a clone from a clone from a clone. The original mothers genes are still there, however not as strong or prevalent. This is actually an issue that we in So California have had to deal with. Many people are getting cuts from unknown sources (past generations) and then someone believes they are getting a cut from the mother so they naturally clone her out and use this next generation. It is not necessarily a bad thing, if she is still producing the effects you like and has not dropped in potency or yield then I would keep going with her, if however she is showing signs of decreased potency OR yield Then it is time to start over. atleast you know the source of your seeds genes, when buying clones out here you can never be sure of their initial source...

so are you saying it is best to have a mother plant ,than do what i do is cut some clones put that plant to flower root/veg the clones ..cut some clones from those than flower plant and so on..

[Diskrete]

so are you saying it is best to have a mother plant ,than do what i do is cut some clones put that plant to flower root/veg the clones ..cut some clones from those than flower plant and so on..

Many people do it this way, eventually you are going to get watered down effects. I would try and stay as close to the original mother as possible. Try to clone from the first mother, and keep that mum alive as long as you can before you are forced to move on(mother dies) then use the clones you last took from mama and make one a mother. This could be awesome for perpetual growers because the mother will never grow to big if you are constantly taking cuttings (look up Bonzai mothers by Pflover), You can keep a mother alive a long time, once she starts showing stress signs you need to let her go, any diseases she catches will move to the next in line so you have the power to decide when its time to move on. basically always using that first plant for clones til you notice adverse effects. And try to pollinate some of those clones if you get a chance, this way you can keep seeds close to their original DNA.

[johnleepeddimore]

Many people do it this way, eventually you are going to get watered down effects. I would try and stay as close to the original mother as possible. Try to clone from the first mother, and keep that mum alive as long as you can before you are forced to move on(mother dies) then use the clones you last took from mama and make one a mother. This could be awesome for perpetual growers because the mother will never grow to big if you are constantly taking cuttings (look up Bonzai mothers by Pflover), You can keep a mother alive a long time, once she starts showing stress signs you need to let her go, any diseases she catches will move to the next in line so you have the power to decide when its time to move on. basically always using that first plant for clones til you notice adverse effects. And try to pollinate some of those clones if you get a chance, this way you can keep seeds close to their original DNA.

one of the biggest reason i did it the way i did is to stay away from unheathy old plants like that root ball and the plant would just be lookin to get diseases.plus i never had/have the room..but old dogs can learn new tricks..

i have been thinking about making some FEM seeds.so if i used a clone that i have been cutting for awhile,the way i do it..

would these seeds be as the orginal mother or the water down mother????

i will have a read on that bonzia mother

[Diskrete]

one of the biggest reason i did it the way i did is to stay away from unheathy old plants like that root ball and the plant would just be lookin to get diseases.plus i never had/have the room..but old dogs can learn new tricks..

i have been thinking about making some FEM seeds.so if i used a clone that i have been cutting for awhile,the way i do it..

would these seeds be as the orginal mother or the water down mother????

i will have a read on that bonzia mother

It will have the same DNA, just not as strong,so I would assume the seeds would show the Pheno that you are crossing with. From there you can do progeny selection. grow all the seeds until you find the one plant that shows the most favorable characteristics and use her as a mother. You may need to do this to re-establish the original breed.

I just re-read the fem part, If you do this you would go through the same process to get the strongest mother. So your answer is yes it will be the same as the original mother(with work).

[milkcratejukebox]

i took a couple pics, not the best but to give ya an idea of what an indica turned back to sativa looks like... i think she is tryin to mimic the jamacain grape she's been "room mating" with... that khola looks more like a sativa khola than an indica...



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[smokinbasser]

I have had two different strains of vastly differing clone age develop what I call vining. Both had been "normal" clones with normal bush form but and this gets strange, on their final cloning developed much thinner stems but with much more dense bud formation and the plants wanted to spread out over the neighboring plant containers as it grew almost like strawberrys grow. The buzz was the same and I even tried to take clones once this new shape was evident but they apparently knew their time was up.