docs ignore our symptoms?

[gelu65]

It seem like my doctors lately are trying to save money when they can by ignoring a diagnosis so they dont have to treat it.My last appt w/movement specialist I had last seen in 2009 came in the exam room and sat down and told me my movement problem was in the brain and went on to tell me how dangerous it was trying to find where I was having trouble digging around there. He never even examined me just prescribed klonopin and that was it. Exam over.

[Guy_In_Pain]

In a good restaurant you can send a crappy piece of meat back to the kitchen or just walk out without paying. But, you can't send a doctor back can you? Or refuse to pay for services not rendered. Terrible and sad all the same.

[Hemp-EaZe]

Remember they're only 'Practicing' The longer they can 'practice', the more they can string you a long with chemicals, the more they can reap the money. You have to be very vigil even refusing to leave without a proper examination. Ask questions, pin them. We've all had the doctor that just wants to cut you up or the guy that scribbles the wrong prescription. I once went to one of those company docs after a hard twist to the knee. It was all swollen and I could barely walk. He saw me for, maybe 1 1/2 minutes scribble on his pad and left. While at the pharmacist I asked what this medicine was. She said, "Honey, it's for you yeast infection", I walked out. So be vigilant

[Cadillac]

If your doctor can't go any farther in helping diagnose you, I would change doctors if possible. I went through quite afew doctors looking for pain management and just now found one I think can stop or reduce my chronic pain. You better get it fixed before Obama helping people over 70 with major health problems. Good luck my friend. Cadillac...rollin

[DrugleyDoRite]

The problem is they are not ignoring the symptoms, they are just treating the symptoms.
The "CAUSE" is still there.

Cure the cause....no more symptoms.......

[Guy_In_Pain]

The problem is they are not ignoring the symptoms, they are just treating the symptoms.
The "CAUSE" is still there.

Cure the cause....no more symptoms.......

100% correct. Until they get there anything they give you will only add symptoms, side effects of most drugs, then all you are doing is chasing shadows. Been there done that, it is a long rough road.

[paddyk]

G.I.P. how are you doing? Hope you are feeling better and no longer need the fucking pills.
Legalize it already

[chillzpls]

The degree of quackery going on is systemic and criminal. It's evident that regulators dropped the ball a long time ago and fell right into the pocket of big pharm.

It's illogical how they consider drugging symptoms as "evidence based medicine". Do you note the perversion ??? The symptoms are the evidence.. and so treating the symptoms is evidence based medicine. It's also a good business model since as others have noted, it cures nothing, and so it's a perpetual drug customer for a drug dealer that's systemically invested in treating symptoms.

In real science, and not the bullshit quackery that pharmaceutical drug dealers practice, "evidence based" means something entirely different. First of all it requires proof of diagnosis, and the proof has to be qualitative and substantive, that's to say it has to be of meaningful significance. Now, take a look at those ADHD /bipolar tests and see if it passes that measure.

Turns out, those questions they ask in the commercials with the bouncing fluffy clouds, essentially IS the test. "Do you ever feel not as happy as you could, this drug is for you, ask your doctor about it today". You can plainly see how they systemically fail that measure entirely.

Second, the drugs themselves are required to be effective in treating the actual cause of the problem, which prior discovery would have made evident, hence, evidence.

How it works instead, is they come up with a drug, lie with statistics and bullshit science to make it seem safe, which is the perversion of "evidence", in specific circumstances and limited usage. Drug gets approved, matched up with some bullshit non evidence based institutionalized normal behavior, now monetized as diseased per the DSM shrink bible of bullshit. This creates the market for the drugs such that there can be no failure, no wrong "research avenue".

Scope of drug then expands to everything under the sun akin to "spray some windex on it, it'll cure anything". People die.... drug gets pulled, black labeled, and put back on the shelf. People keep dying and suffering but they're statistical collateral damage, deemed insignificant from the beginning bullshit science. Anyone suffering accordingly is then insignificant by default. Also their suffering gives them more symptoms and affirms customer loyalty on that basis, growing their market exponentially.

That's why doctors can be replaced with nurse practitioners and why they can both be replaced by pharmacysts...and why none of them give a fuck what you have to say other than "need a refill". All they do is push dope.

Sometimes, some of it is actually effective. Sometimes they do some shred of good. I don't think that the little bit of good that they do begins to excuse, or even at all can exccuse, all the harm that they do. Neither does it justify their criminal monopoly on mass drugging of the population for profit and docile zombified control.

My personal experience in Ontario, that's pushing for increased clinics, nurse practitioners playing doctor, with all the power and authority of plexiglass shielding and magnetic strip lockdown hall passes (why? Isn't it just paranoid drug dealers that foriti....ooohhh):

First they save money on tests.... cuz it doesn't matter anyway, they're just going to give you drugs for the symptoms.

Then they promise to help you "manage" your "disease", whereby the disease diagnosis is what used to be the umbrella catch all which simply meant "I don't fucking know", and was reserved as a last resort, is now the primary "go to", and it's still true because they really don't fucking know, but having done no tests is not because they've pushed the boundaries of modern medicine but rather because they've become comfortable with their monopoly on incompetence. So you might have cancer but they'll tell you it's IBS.

All that matters to them is that you allow them to "manage" your issue, and what that means is take your drugs like a good moron, don't even complain about them because they will "shush" you, and show up for your weekly appointment. See it's good that you go back often, weekly visits. This makes themselves relevant on paper, relevant for more funding, relevant for a shift in healthcare in their direction.

When you go back weekly it implies their "management" is effective.... or you wouldn't go. This is plainly ignorant of the obvious truth that if they were actually effective you would not have to go on a weekly basis. You wouldn't be "managing your symptoms" you would instead have them fucking cured. But curing you doesn't necessitate their purpose.

You begin to see that between the clinic/nurse practitioner, doctor or pharmacyst, you don't require a pre meditated conspiracy with big pharm when their interests so clearly align.

Want to cut healthcare spending in half AND improve it? Unfuck this perverted "evidence based" concept, get marketing the fuck out of it completely. Why are drugs marketed at all? Doesn't your fucking doctor what's best for ya? Hm? Why do you have to ask your doctor about it today? The very notion tells you it's completely broken and corrupt through and through. Having big pharm join the rest of modern science in both their method and their purpose, and doctors trained not by big pharm any longer, but by competent objective scientists would turn this all around.

Why do I have to accept such fucking total incompetence as a nurse practioner that, in the fucking information age, has to open their reference bible for every little thing, totally lacking any objective and critical thinking /throublshooting skills. If they don't have to reach for the bible they simply fall prey to the "if your only tool is a hammer", and give you the same drugs they give everybody else who also has "ibs", or happy sads.

Ever go to the doctor and have them tell you about their personal problems, trying to relate to you? Or they tell you about their other patients who "have the same thing you do", meaning you can trust the drugs they gave to them because they seem to be "managing ok".

What a fucking joke. The thing about treating the symptoms, is the same with defaulting to a last resort "everything else has failed/don't fucking know" diagnosis like IBS. Where it used to mean "we can't help you", it now means "we have helped you". Where it used to be given in place of a real diagnosis, it now is your diagnosis. This prevents any real progress, treatment, research.. just take the drug du jour they're serving up with your side of bullshit and shut the fuck up.