Budder

[skunk-mad]

hi all i have herd a few people talking about budder and how well it smokes i thought budder was the name we gave to cannabis infused butter but have i missed something??

Thanx all sorry if this is a stupid question

skunk-mad.

[Shadimar]

I've also heard the word used in reference to what I believe was BHO mixed with kief to form a more workable substance (handling).

Although, it might also refer to the process of stirring oil in water over heat so create a somewhat emulsified suspension. If I got the facts right it's also called earwax.

In short I think it's being used in both contexts, but originally only meant a BHO derivative.

[JRace]

Budder (made know in Canada by the Budder King) is actually a post-processed hash oil product.

I have seen it done with both ISO and BHO.

The basic premiss is after the purge and your oil is good to go you then do a second processing.

You heat the oil while whipping it introducing air into the oil.
this changes the consistency and many report also the potency.

I cannot comment on the potency as I never had the un-processed oil and the budder to compare, but it becomes much easier to handle, not as sticky and almost hash like.

[Guy_In_Pain]

As far as I know Budder King has never released the formula for real budder. There are many folks thinking they can make it but I've had the real thing and there is no comparrison to bho whipped up? Lot's of info out there about the real budder and tons of "homemade" versions of bho of which there is some real good bho don't get me wrong but it aint budder IMO.

If you have ever tried real budder you will know what I'm talking about. Was tested to 99% purity and real real effective.

[Rockster]

I've seen on Youtube budder whipped up by hand on a heated piece of glass (needs to be runny for this, hence a hot plate) and then put in a vacuum chamber were it increases even more in volume.

The oil is merely mixed with the tip of a knife or screwdriver, just whipped up fast on the glass and after a while the consistency changes, it gets more viscous, goes opaque and looks larger because of the air now in it.

And you end up with opaque yellow lumps of what was oil extracted with butane.

That's the process isn't it?

[Shadimar]

That's what I've read it is, Rockster

The vacuum chamber.. now there's an idea, eh? When it's too dense it doesn't burn right in my experience. Like smoking a pipe of hash compared to the same weight of kief.

I'll bet the vacu-budder does a number on you

[bodhisattva]

hi all i have herd a few people talking about budder and how well it smokes i thought budder was the name we gave to cannabis infused butter but have i missed something??

here ya go,,, http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/3589.html

[skunk-mad]

thanx all

skunk-mad.

[chillzpls]

As far as I know Budder King has never released the formula for real budder. There are many folks thinking they can make it but I've had the real thing and there is no comparrison to bho whipped up? Lot's of info out there about the real budder and tons of "homemade" versions of bho of which there is some real good bho don't get me wrong but it aint budder IMO.

If you have ever tried real budder you will know what I'm talking about. Was tested to 99% purity and real real effective.

Meh. That's just marketing so he can carve out a niche market for himself and sell it at inflated costs kind of like you saw Nancy on Weeds do.. high fashion herb.

BHO should test just as high especially after a purging process and decarboxilation which whipping it with heat should do, and many people who have had it swear it's exactly the same.

In terms of "budder" vs typical BHO though there are a lot of people who aren't bright enough to start with a top quality product and instead relegate their trim and stems to their extraction.

Also, I dare so, I have yet to see any homebrew "medical grade" impress me with a damn. How many times have I heard people bragging about their primo grow and when you see pictures of it they tell you what to see... "no stretching" etc... but there's 8 inches of air between internodes and all I can do is fucking laugh. Then you get to smoke their weed and it's pretty much not worth the match you lit it with. What kind of oil does that produce? Same as it did with the has they produced.... better to save the match.

Apart from that and assuming what you've had actually came from a top quality sample, one thing it seems budder king did give up was that he uses a particular mix to produce his extract with, not just a single bland one dimensional strain. Maybe of that he only uses the flower tops?

One thing I think probably puts the quality of hash through the roof from any place that makes it in the wild, like India or what not, is that it's derived not from any particular strain or single phenotype, but hundreds.

I should think that any extract or concentrate from such a wide variety is going to be diverse and complex in the extreme, full body and mind.

If someone were to properly store some bubblehash from each strain and phenotype they ran over some period of time in order to get a healthy variety going, mixed it all up, and tried it just like that, or continued on with making an extract and whipping it... I would hazard a guess that you'd be seriously impressed.

[compost tea me lol!]

budder is nice.... but shatter is nicer!(which is hard like glass or brittle candy)
i have made honey oil, wax, dust and cookie.... which is budder oven baked on wax paper on low heat for a looong time, it turns out like a moist bubble filled chocolate chip cookie with out the chips and is also easy to handle....

the budder i call wax cuz it is just like ear wax. . . it seems like you can handle, but it will get everywhere , one fingerprint at a time.... its almost alive.... i say this because it shits everywhere it goes lol... and it is whipped real hard with no heat right after the oil stage

oil is what your left with after the butane double boils out (not boil, as the high heat ruins the color)(and not inside, as you will die)

dust looks like meth or something... and if you make really small batches of oil in a very large pyrex it is easy to bake it again once you are sure all the butane is gone, it happens quickly... all the moisture bakes out and the thin film can be scraped of buy a razor blade and is dry 'dust'

another lad i know some how expands it and dries it out... he gives me a little piece sometimes, wrapped up in tinfoil.... and if i blindfolded you and made you bust it up you would swear it was dry dry stale hydro but it is pure expanded thc..... and he says he doesnt know what vaccume purging is , and i think that the vac purg from oil state just ensures all the butane is gone and after it is still goo so i dont know how he does it...

and i personally have never had kief mixed in, but like i have tried to point out , there are many extremely different finished products.....

ps last year i saw a $1000.00 dvd showing step by step how to do it all.... but i dont know anyone that would pay that.... so i just experiment a little....

BUT IF anyone figures out how to make shatter, please pass it along.....
i told you how to make cookie, and though it may sound simple it is not listed as being in that movie... lol but im sure it just takes heat and paticence ungh

[compost tea me lol!]

this is not a how to for beginers, rather a peak at some advanced tricks simplified..... tried, tested, true.... if your a bho noob (and everyone is sometime) please read and watch some other sources of information first as this boy doesnt really explain saftey.. learn how gas works.... learn the science behind the process... be careful

PLEASE USE AND PURGE YOUR BUTANE OUTSIDE , AWAY FROM FLAME, ANIMALS AND CHILDREN

... copy paste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2qE0cbOeE0

[lightly_toasted]

this is not a how to for beginers, rather a peak at some advanced tricks simplified..... tried, tested, true.... if your a bho noob (and everyone is sometime) please read and watch some other sources of information first as this boy doesnt really explain saftey.. learn how gas works.... learn the science behind the process... be careful

PLEASE USE AND PURGE YOUR BUTANE OUTSIDE , AWAY FROM FLAME, ANIMALS AND CHILDREN

... copy paste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2qE0cbOeE0

He he

[Oil Toker]

Budder is alright. Budderking isn't the only maker of this stuff though. It's more commonly called "wax" and is made all over America and Canada.

I've had Budderking budder and I would much rather a vile of BHO any day. BHO is cheaper, easier to use, and is effective. I hate fucking around with the budder. I've also tried the margarine which is even harder to use. Both tasty and potent products though. But not worth the price in my opinion.

[compost tea me lol!]

who said anything about the budderking ? or money? did you watch the video above? ..............EDIT: i found the budderking comment .. but ive never heard of him... i mean, other than my friends calling me that in harvest season lol... sorry

ps: whipping your budder to early is a good way to trap butane in it.... be careful .... but i dont know why you would whip it when you could honeycomb wax it... or shatter it..

. and hello and welcome to the community

and remember

[skunk-mad]

who said anything about the budderking ? or money? did you watch the video above? ..............EDIT: i found the budderking comment .. but ive never heard of him... i mean, other than my friends calling me that in harvest season lol... sorry

ps: whipping your budder to early is a good way to trap butane in it.... be careful .... but i dont know why you would whip it when you could honeycomb wax it... or shatter it..

. and hello and welcome to the community

and remember

Thank you for the video links very informative. i have made bho but only a couple of g max maybe i will try making budder,wax or shatter. if you do have a shatter how2vid i think someone requested the technique in this thread also any other good bho, wax , shatter vids please post them here also.

Thanx

skunk-mad.

[Shadimar]

Aye.

They say information is power.

I say it's most powerful when distributed freely.

[Diskrete]

That video is probably one of the best there is out there. No whipping at all, long low heat, to not decarboxylate it, constant vaccing, time and patience! Shatter is alright, but let it sit for two weeks and it wants to turn to budder. Having had jsut about every type pf texture and consistency in wax, Most are the same and the main difference you willl find is with the starting material, is it made with buds, or trim? most people run trim because they smoke the flowers, when you realize the advantages of clear minded living without random headaches and lil to no smell, you will most likely switch over to concentrates, and when you do, you will notice the difference from trim wax to flower wax. as is the same with most hashish. You want the best quality? Use your top buds.

[420grower]

I love all the comments,but I still believe as a scientist first,you never really purge all the dangerous chemicals that are present in butane,give me my old school keif hash method,just like the old nepal hash,4 screens each smaller than the last,sifted to the finest grade,then that mix is put under pressure until the internal heat pulls all the goodness together into hard sticky pleasure,lol,great thread folks,please be safe when using ISO/BHO peace all

[dabbin]

That video is probably one of the best there is out there. No whipping at all, long low heat, to not decarboxylate it, constant vaccing, time and patience! Shatter is alright, but let it sit for two weeks and it wants to turn to budder. Having had jsut about every type pf texture and consistency in wax, Most are the same and the main difference you willl find is with the starting material, is it made with buds, or trim? most people run trim because they smoke the flowers, when you realize the advantages of clear minded living without random headaches and lil to no smell, you will most likely switch over to concentrates, and when you do, you will notice the difference from trim wax to flower wax. as is the same with most hashish. You want the best quality? Use your top buds.

Heads up your shatter turns into budder because of residual butane in the oil. I've seen people keep shatter for over a month in that state, but mine doesn't last more than a week or two. My second run stuff often sits for a month+ and if I have purged it enough, it stays as sap, but occasionally it does budder. The more oil, the harder to get a consistent heat/pull from the pile.

Completely agree with top buds. Pull ~25% run from the first wash of excellent smoke, and ~5% from the second wash to cook with. The best, healthiest (on lungs/throat) way I have found to medicate other than eat.

[Rockster]

Here's some BHO made with Cheese#1 and Exodus trim.

I put it on a bain-marie ( bowl sitting in Pyrex dish filled with boiling water ) and whipped it up 3 times for 10 mins each time as I've seen on You Tube but don't think I changed it in any great way although compared to some I'd added Isopropyl Alcohol to and filtered and evaporated it seemed very much stiffer than the Iso stuff after refrigeration.

[Bkphate]

Not taking credit for this, a master mind at another forum.

Respect and Love,
BkPhate

[Bkphate]

Continued...

Edit: looked at this post, realized I have become very spoiled... am humbled to try this guys work.

[Jred]

Maybe I could help on making 'shatter' if interested. Basically the same as any bho run but heated differently to purge last bits on the stove.

Get to the step where you have your pyrex (collection dish) ready to put it a pan on your burner and this is where it is different.
**Do not scrape it up in a pile while or after running butane, this will be the last step, but yes pop bubbles any time with a poker**

-Fill pan with about little over 1/2" of water. Make sure you have a lid for the pan too as it will be on most the time.
-Heat the pan and water with the on using the burner but LEAVE the PYREX OUT at this point. Temp is the key here, I like to heat the
pan until the side of the pan gets to the point were it is pretty hot to the touch but still able to hold palm of hand and fingers on for
1-2 seconds till starting too hot for your hand. While at this same time rest you palm and fingers on the lid and it should be warm but
not hot and could use it like a hand warmer for 10 seconds before getting uncomfortable.
-Next your going to put the pyrex in the pan and put lid ON for 15 seconds (make sure to wipe the condensation every so often on the
lid) while ON the burner.
-Now take the pot with lid on and pyrex inside OFF the burner and let it sit for 15mins. You may have to wipe down condensation on the lid.
-At this point the pan should still be warm and I REMOVE the pyrex and reheat the pan/lid/water to same as earlier.
-This time when you put the pyrex back in ON the burner ONLY let it go for 6-8 seconds.
-Let sit with lid on for 15mins again.
-Repeat the last two steps until you smoke a small dab and no spark, usually by 2nd run of 6-8 seconds.
-Now scrape (I use a brand new razor blade) this all together while your pyrex is warm and the bho is pliable to make it easier and
collect. After it has cooled and especially if temp is at 72 F or lower while trying to break this it will shatter when getting a dab
so be careful not to make it explode on the counter, use a concentrate dish or something with higher sides work best.

Remember to use the lid and pop any butane bubbles but to never scrape it up or collect in a pile until the very end.

Any questions feel free and I'll try to help.

peace

[Jred]

Couple pics.. Dark colored one was from some blackjack, it's not burnt just really dark color but when pulled like taffy its amber colored.

[gbrandan]

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