authorization to possess renewal

[paddyk]

12 weeks after submitting the paperwork I received my renewal. 8 years now and each year it gets worse. This year they have included a yellow sheet of paper which states that I must keep the document with me at all times. It then goes on to state that "in order to ensure that applicants receive their licence in as timely a manner as possible" they are mailing out the documents prior to the identification card. Then they blow my fucking mind with their nerve to make the following statement: "Please note that the plastic identification card was provided for convenience purposes only, and is not a required document. AND THEN...."While there is space for an identification card on the document enclosed, you will not be issued an identification card.". While I am relieved to finally get my renewal 4 weeks after my other expired I am so fed up with these motherfuckers. 2 or 3 years ago they decided I needed my picture updated and delayed my permit until I got one (of course it cost close to $50) and since then I have not gotten a card for the wallet and can't carry paper, it will degrade. Anybody get a card last year or this year?

[chillzpls]

http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbul...4&postcount=10

"Put another way, Health Canada has in effect deliberately prevented you from fulfilling your obligation by refusing to meet theirs. And that's exactly what I'll be telling my MP.. "

and that is what I told my MP. My MP apparently didn't give a shit.

[Guy_In_Pain]

I have got my card each renewal year with the package they sent me. This past year in July when I recieved the last plastic card it looked worse or almost fake in a way then the previous year. I carry both with me since the newest one looks faked, washed out no colour.

[Cannabishop]

Hellth Canada is a bunch of morons!!!
As always I renewed my license 12 weeks in advance. Nothing changed except...a new mailing address. No big deal right?
WRONG!
Now they tell me that i have to fill out a completely new application, even though the only thing changed was a mailing addy.
Screw that!!
I called every number for the Hellth Canada MMAR group and Finally got someone. It was worth the long distance to find out that all I have to do is send in a 'new' renewal form with no changes and I am good to go.
So let's see how long it takes this time and what the response will be.
In the meantime, here are the most recent Hellth Canada numbers I have. Use them to get your questions answered!!

# Murray, Alexandra M; Supply and Distribution Officer; (613) 948-2557
# Toscano, Sandra; Program Officer; (613) 952-2116
# Ho, Michelle; Program Officer; (613) 952-2126
# Anderson, Cheryle; Customer Service Representative; (613) 954-6540
# Assad, Michael; Junior Authorizations and Licenses Officer; (613) 957-3033
# Beaudry, Sonia; Data Entry Clerk; (613) 954-0739
# Bergeron, Jacques; Program Officer, Marihuana Medical Access Division; (613) 946-6478
# Bond, Kristina; Administrative Assistant; (613) 946-6523
# Bromfield, Kate; FWSEP - Student; (613) 952-2110
# Carriere, Martine S; Supply Distribution Clerk; (613) 948-7960
# Cronier, Gordon; Administrative Clerk; (613) 952-2120
# Denault, Ronald; Manager, Marihuana Medical Access Division; (613) 941-2504
# Duncan, Katherine; Assistant to the Manager; (613) 954-6539
# Dussault, Elizabeth; A/Supply Officer; (613) 948-2557
# Jones, Barry; Authorizations and Licences Officer; (613) 952-2157
# Lee, Sori; Jr Authorization and Licences Officer; (613) 948-4653
# Lindquist, Christine; Authorizations and Licences Clerk; (613) 948-8541
# MacInnis, Christina; Clerk; (613) 941-6416
# McGuire, Kyla; Junior Policy Analyst; (613) 941-4805
# Michael, Caroline; Data Entry Clerk; (613) 954-2721
# Neilson, Thomas; Data Migrator; (613) 954-2721
# Neu, Michael; Data Migrator; (613) 954-2721
# Paré, Marie-Anne; FSWEP Student; (613) 948-6857
# Presley-Bérubé, Peggy; Human Resources Administrator; (613) 941-5359
# Schroeder, Bianca; Data Migrator; (613) 954-2721
# Sevigny, Laura; Data Entry Clerk; (613) 954-2721
# Sigouin, Terrence; Data Entry Clerk; (613) 952-2126

Good luck all!

[hollowpoint]

too many dam managers and no workers, look at those titles for a bunch of paper pushers lol

[Pothead Pete]

to handle say 10,000 apps =850monthly=35apps per work day=about one approved application per day for a bunch of whack jobs in Ottawa??? Are you kidding me??? For the country??? One approval per day??? This must be a msiprint, but no it is not.
These are the pricks that approved the sale of Sativex in Canada at the price of 800plus bucks for a little bottle(4000%mark up by the way).

So in my mind you have 27 nothings to talk to in Ottawa.

I don't call,and each and every year my exemption is on time.
Call and they put you to the back of a non existent file making your application late.


P.S. a bunch of fuckin retards is what I think of them.......

[paddyk]

Well said Pete! I don't call either but mine was still late and this is the second year in a row without a photo id, even though they forced me to pay for a new one 2 years ago! These people are there to work AGAINST us not for us! Shit did I say work, 1 app a day is certainly not work, well here's one dept where getting rid of them will upset no one. Bet they don't lose 1 penny from their budget, bastards!

[BudLover]

Got my renewal papers last August. They never sent an id card but that's their problem not mine. I just carry my expired one. If I'm ever asked where my new one is I'll just say I was wondering the same damn thing.

[Roy]

Yes, that is correct I have no issues at the moment with this branch of the Canadian Government. The reason for this is that I have yet to send in this years paperwork. I'm confident that once the new paperwork goes in that there will be loads of problems.

Why do Isay such things?

Well, I am one of the first patients to get authorization ( I think I was something like patient number 736) in Canada. The year was 2003 when I first entered the HC program and they have managed to screw something up every year! Some years they screw up on several different levels.

I don't want to RANT but these folks go way out of their way to get my blood boiling every year!

HC handles this program in such a way as to upset almost everyone in it!

I guess it's time for me to send my paper work in for yet another year. I wonder what they have planned for me this year?

[airedog]

They actually told my wife and I that we had sent our renewal paperwork in too early and that they would hold off on processing it until we were 8 weeks out from the renewal date; of course that was at the 5 week mark. After a flurry of phone calls we finally got the renewals before the expiration; no ID cards though.

If paddyk ever gets enough interest to see the group he proposes (http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbul...ad.php?t=47164 )actually started up, the issues of renewals and ID cards would make great goals. Too bad not very many here on the forums seem to be interested enough to do more that shoot it down, at this point in time. Strange how so many of us howl with outrage over the treatment we get from HC, but so few actually do much about it.

As usual, just my opinion.

[Pothead Pete]

I have seen a commissioner of oaths and have joined forces with 20 other exemptees to protest these changes to the MMAR as unconstitutional.
Under the proposed legislation I will be forced to purchase my cannabis from an approved commercial producer. Ridiculous as I am on ODSP and I have a limit on my net worth of $5000.00.
I have a 10 gram a day scrip and easily use that for a $3000.00 a month total??
If you are in doubt you are welcomed to watch me in action at my party in July on my Volcano Vaporizer.....all day long from sun up to sun down.


I just wonder who thinks up this stuff......

And I am in no way shape or form afraid of losing any grow permit as I will continue regrdless of any changes in the regulations.
Once legal always legal in my mind until CURED of my reason for the exemption the first place.

[average joe]

You all should check out MCPAC "Medicinal Cannabis Patients Alliance of Canada" Their fighting the same fight Pete with regards to PUPL's and D.G.ing

Look good
Joe

[medpot]

Pothead Pete said; I have seen a commissioner of oaths and have joined forces with 20 other exemptees to protest these changes to the MMAR as unconstitutional.

Hi Pohead Pete

Judicially speaking, nothing can be done about this until ANY damage is done - or at least, until 'Hellth' Canada's MMAR sends an official 'PPL and DPL termination date letter' to ALL concerned Personal Production Licenses (PPL's) and Designated Production Licenses (DPL's) holders.

See my following relevant reply posted this morning on TY.

Peace,

Marc

[howlin420]

I live in Oregon U.S..My card expired December 1st 2011 and I of course had my renewal papers in on time. In Oregon the receipt from the post office (first time I sent it in) covers you until you receive your new card. If you go to the OMMP office in person , you'll get a stamped copy of the app which does the same.
We also have had an increase in our fee from the $100 original fee to the $200 it is now as of last Fall. This extra money DOES NOT go into the OMMP ( our state MMJ program) but is a way for the state to receive more revenue to help pay for other health programs.
Anyway , I just received my new card today in the post which they start my new year from date of issue , which helps the person(me) but just costs the state money with their delays which gives a person more time each year. This time I got over on 4(four) months.Great way to run a program huh ? Efficient it is not. But now my card will not expire until 3-29-13, so this could be considered a ranting rave I guess.

[Pothead Pete]

My army is ready and the weapons are loaded.....
understand?????

We will ensure our basic human rights to continue to grow as set up will continue and we are ready for action.....

Bring on Hellth Canada........

[medpot]

Hi Pothead Pete

Still, it's important to go through the proper channels if a court action is needed, but this time hasn't come yet.

As soon as HC will send an official letter with it's termination date for ALL PPL's (Personal Production Licenses) and DPL (Designated Production Licenses), then it will be a solid proof of intent, and any of those concerned may bring them to federal court with an Order of Mandamus under Section 18.1 of the Federal Court Rules..to compel the federal minister of health.

And as I mentioned, such matter of urgency could be heard in federal court in a week or less.

Keep on the good work Pothead Pete!

Take care and peace,

Marc

[paddyk]

Thank you guys for giving back SOME hope. It is great to realize we are not alone and there will be many to join the fight.

[SteveG]

... can we sue them for court costs and lawyer fees, as well?

[medpot]

... can we sue them for court costs and lawyer fees, as well?

Hi SteveG

You can make such request to your judge without suing (within your court motion), but you will only be able to get such refunds if you win your case..of course.

HC's Crown may also ask for costs if they win, but for sick and dying Canadians, they usually don't.

Terry Parker, John Turmel and myself were ordered by a judge in 2002 to pay for Court costs to the Crown, but none of us paid, and we never heard from it since.

Marc

[airedog]

... can we sue them for court costs and lawyer fees, as well?

If you could successfully make it a human rights case and win, we may have a chance. In order to make it a human rights issue you would probably try to make a case for discrimination on the basis of a disability:

Physical or Mental Disability

Section 25 of the Act defines disability as being either:

physical or mental;
previous or existing; and
including dependence on alcohol or a drug.

A disability can be either permanent (e.g., a visual or mobility impairment), or temporary (e.g., a treatable illness or temporary impairment which is the result of an accident). In determining whether a temporary illness would be considered a disability under the Act, it is important to consider the effects the illness is alleged to have had on the complainant's employment or ability to obtain a service, not only the nature of the illness itself.

Amendments in 1998 to the Canadian Human Rights Act require employers and service providers to accommodate special needs short of undue hardship, including those of people with disabilities. While the duty to accommodate has long been recognized by the courts, specific reference to accommodation in the Act clarifies both the rights of employees and the obligations of employers.

http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/discriminati...ental-eng.aspx

More information on the Canadian Human Rights Commission can be found here

Some may argue that discrimination on the basis of religion could also apply.

Other than that, when it comes to costs, I wouldn't hold your breath; especially with Harper & Co., who seem more than willing to re/write whatever legislation they need, in order to suit their purposes (just ask Canadian wheat farmers).

[medpot]

Hi airedog..long time

The Canadian Human Rights Commission cannot order a federal minister.

It can only make it's recommendations.

ONLY a federal court judge or a provincial criminal court judge can order HC, but since this issue has nothing to do with a provincial criminal court case, ONLY a federal court judge would be able to order the federal health minister with an Order of Mandamus under Section 18.1 of the federal court rules..like I did on a couple of occasions.

P.S. Some might believe that this is a civil issue, but actually, a provincial civil court is a lower court, and it cannot order the federal health minister and ministry.

However, Matt Mernagh's case is a provincial criminal court case, and this court may order the federal health minister...just like the federal court.

If the Crown and HC aren't satisfied with the Court's decision next May 7 and 8, they will have to appeal at the Ontario Court of Appeal.

Marc

[airedog]

To bring it back to Steve G's question though; what are the chances of getting a judgement that includes court costs?

[SteveG]

Thanks Marc.

... and thanks for keeping us posted.

[airedog]

Sorry Marc, I should have gone back and reread earlier posts.

What enables the feds to take multiple kicks at the same can; does the principle of precedent not apply?

[medpot]

airedog said; Sorry Marc, I should have gone back and reread earlier posts.

What enables the feds to take multiple kicks at the same can; does the principle of precedent not apply?

Long story..sorry for the rant.

It should, because a law is supposed to die once it's declared unconstitutional.

The MMAR (Marihuana Medical Access Regulations) were never enacted as a law, as they were just added to the criminal 'marihuana' provisions of the CDSA (Controlled Drugs and Substances Act).

The MMAR (Marihuana Medical Access Regulations) and marijuana (cannabis) prohibition in Ontario were once declared invalid and unconstitutional in the Parker,Hitzig et al (Terry Parker, Prof. Alan Young for Warren Hitzig, John Turmel and myself) in 2002, and 4,000 marijuana cases throughout Canada were expunged by the Crown.

Of course, 'Hellth' Canada's Crown appealed the court's decision, so in the meantime, both the MMAR and marijuana prohibition remained valid.

However, the Court ordered the Crown to 'fix' the unconstitutional parts of the MMAR within '1' year, or both the MMAR and marijuana prohibition would officially be declared invalid and unknown to law.

So on October 7th 2003, with Alan Young's agreement and 'blessing', the 3 judges of the Ontario Court of Appeal were satisfied with the 'fix' offered by HC's Crown, and both the MMAR and marijuana prohibition were declared constitutional and valid once more.

But of course, HC interpreted their constitutional MMAR 'fix' in their own way, and those affected were given 'crumbs' - as always.

You asked; 'What enables the feds to take multiple kicks at the same can?'

Because it's 'only' regulations, and they can do what they want to violate our constitutional rights until a judge orders them for a constitutional 'fix'.

You asked; Does the principle of precedent not apply?

If the MMAR would have been a a law?..for sure!

And of course, we have NO medical marijuana (cannabis) law in this country because of marijuana prohibition.

Hopefully airedog and friends, Matt Mernagh's court decision in May will help us all!

Take care,

Marc