Trainwreck / Herijuana AKA H-Train from meduser.ca

[berbes]

STANDARD SMOKE REPORT V1.0

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IDENTIFICATION
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Date: Oct 1, 2005-Jan 30, 2006
Strain: Trainwreck / Herijuana
Judge: me + wife
Breeder: meduser
Grower: yours truly

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PHYSICAL EXAMINATION
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i started and finished this grow before i found this great site. you can follow it in all it's glory, pics, and problems here-

http://meduser.ca/forum/index.php?showtopic=4500


1. Visual Appeal: A solid 10! - excellent.

2. Visible Trichomes: 10 Completely frosted.

3. Use an X to indicate the colors that are present in the trichome heads under magnification or list the percentages of each color for a more precise report.

Clear [ ] Cloudy [90] Amber [10] Dark [ ]

4. Mark with X the colors that are present in the buds or for a more detailed color analysis rate presence on a scale 1-9 light-dark.

Brown [ ] Green [ ] Gold [ ] Blue [ ] Grey [ ] White [X] Red [ ] Rust [X] Orange [X] Purple [ ] Black [ ]

5. Bud density: [8] They would've been denser if not for nute lockouts that will be explained at the end.

6. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the aroma of freshly broken bud where a one indicates a subtle presence and 9 indicates a pronounced presence. Delete the existing space when marking a descriptor in order to maintain the columns in alignment.

Ammonia [ ] Earthy [ ] Licorice [ ] Peach [ ] Berry [ ] Floral [ ] Mango [ ] Pepper [ ] Blueberry [ ] Fruit [ ] Meat [ ] Petroleum [7] Bubblegum [ ] Grape [ ] Melon [ ] Pine [ ] Cedar [ ] Grapefruit [ ] Menthol [ ]
Pineapple [ ] Cherry [ ] Grass/Hay [ ] Mint [ ] Rotten [ ] Chocolate [ ] Hash [ ] Mold [ ] Skunk [ ] Citrus [ ] Iron/Rust [ ] Musk [9] Spice [ ] Coconut [ ] Leather [ ] Nutmeg [ ] Strawberry [ ] Coffee [] Lemon [4 ] Orange [ ] Vanilla [ ]

7. Aroma [10] Rate the aroma from 1-10 repulsive-delightful. Use freshly crumbled bud for best results.

8. Seed content [0] Rate seed content from 0-10 none-fully seeded.

9. Weeks cured [n/a] If known enter the number of weeks your sample has been cured. If desired repeat SSR after an additional two weeks of curing.

PHYSICAL EXAMINATION COMMENTS:
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THE SMOKE TEST
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Address these questions while smoking.

1. Please use a clean instrument for the evaluation. Enter information below that will identify the instrument as follows:

Water pipe (enter bong, hooka, bubbler etc) [ ]
Vaporizer (enter the brand name) [ ]
Pipe (size-type, ie medium-glass) [ ]
Joint (enter brand of papers) [JOB sup-aires ]
Other (specify):

2. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the taste where a one indicates a subtle presence and a nine indicates a very pronounced presence. Delete the existing space when marking a descriptor in order to maintain the columns in alignment.

Ammonia [ ] Earthy [ ] Licorice [ ] Peach [ ] Berry [ ] Floral [ ]
Mango [ ] Pepper [ ] Blueberry [ ] Fruit [ ] Meat [] Petroleum [9] Bubblegum [ ] Grape [ ] Melon [ ] Pine [9] Cedar [ ] Grapefruit [ ] Menthol [ ] Pineapple [ ] Cherry [ ] Grass/Hay [ ] Mint [ ] Rotten [ ] Chocolate [ ] Hash [ ] Mold [ ] Skunk [ ] Citrus [ ] Iron/Rust [ ]
Musk [ ] Spice [ ] Coconut [ ] Leather [ ] Nutmeg [ ] Strawberry [ ] Coffee [ ] Lemon [5] Orange [ ] Vanilla [ ]

If appropriate return to this question after 5-10 minutes and mark
with X any unmarked descriptors for lingering aftertaste.

3. Taste [10] Rate your impression of the taste from 1-10 unpleasant-delicious.

4. State of dryness [5] Rate the dryness of the bud from 1-10 wet-dry where 5 is ideal. verrrrrrrrry sticky.

5. Smoke ability [9] Rate the smoke ability of the sample from 1-10 harsh-smooth.

6. Smoke expansion [11!] Rate how the smoke expands in the lungs from 1-10 stable-explodes.

SMOKE TEST COMMENTS: Must roll joint loosely, as it really builds up resins as it goes. Also, the joint will continue to burn on resins alone if not toked. BE CAREFUL - fire hazard!

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FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS
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Address final questions immediately after effects have worn off.

1. Dosage [1-2] Enter the number of hits taken to reach desired effects.

2. Effect onset [1] Rate how quickly the effect hit from 1-10 immediate-major creeper. You feel the THC coarsing through the blood into your head on the first toke. Munchies follow within 30 minutes.

3. Sativa influence [9] It really comes on strong, and gets you going. A good daytime med.

4. Indica influence [5] The herijuana side of this phenon comes through after an hour or so, and if you let it, you'll go down. Of course, another hit will boost you right back up. Very clear head buzz, with a couchlike feel later.

5. Potency [10] Rate the potency of the sample from 0-10 none-devastating.

6. Duration [1-2] Indicate the number of hours the effects lasted.

7. Tolerance build up [0] None yet!

8. Usability [ ] Rate on a scale of 1-9 where a one indicates the worst time of day to consume this strain and a nine represents the ideal time of day. Leave field(s) blank if you have not yet formed an opinion.

Morning - wake up [9] Day - work [9 Evening - relax [5] Night - sleep [5]

9. Overall satisfaction [9.5] Rate your overall satisfaction from 1-10 poor-Holy Grail. Gotta leave room for the future.

10.Ability and conditions [10] Just got over a 5 week drying ot for a piss test.

11.Judging from the sample alone do you personally consider this
strain a keeper for long term use. Yes [XXX] No [ ]

12.Rate the noticable effects on a scale of 1-9 mild-severe. Take care to use the appropriate column for your response. Delete the existing space when recording your entry to maintain the columns in alignment. In all cases these casual observations should not be construed as medical advice.

What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT

[9] [N] Ability to rest or sit still
[9] [N] Anxiety relief
[9] [N] Appetite
[9] [N] Audio perception
[9] [N] Humor perception
[9] [N] Imagination/creativity
[6] [N] Paranoia relief
[9] [N] Sex drive
[5] [N] Sleep [9] [N] Pain relief
[9] [N] Speech process
[8] [N] Taste perception
[9] [N] Thought process
[9] [N] Visual perception


EXTENDED MEDICAL SURVEY (optional)

What effect did the strain have check [P] off if the you got a POSITIVE EFFECT and check [N] if you had a NEGATIVE EFFECT

[P] [N]ADD/ADHD
[P] [N]Alcoholism/Alcohol Abuse
[P] [N]Allergic rhinitis
[P] [N]Amphetamine Dependence
[P] [N]Anorexia
[P] [N]Arthritis/Musculoskeletar pain
[P] [N]Asthma/Cough
[P] [N]Bipolar disorder
[P] [N]Cancer/Chemotherapy
[X] [N]Chronic fatigue
[X] [N]Depression
[P] [N]Diarrhea
[P] [N]Drusen of Optic Nerve
[P] [N]Epilepsy
[P] [N]Glaucoma
[P] [N]Hiccough
[P] [N]High blood pressure/Racingpulse
[P] [N]Insomnia
[P] [N]Itching
[P] [N]Migraine/vascular headache
[P] [N]Muscle Spasm
[P] [N]Muscular movement disorders
[P] [N]Nausea
[P] [N]Panic Attack
[P] [N]Peripheral nerve pain
[P] [N]Post traumatic Stress Disorder
[P] [N]Pre Menstrual Syndrome
[P] [N]Sedative/Opiate Dependence
[P] [N]Schizophrenia
[P] [N]SLE - systemic lupus erythematosus
[P] [N]Spasticity in Multiple Sclerosis

FINAL COMMENTS:

I grew this in a 6 plant nft system in an unheated garage in a c-13 cabinet from home depot under a 400w m-h & hps switchable ballast with co2. I did all the research and tried to do it right!

I had the grow going well, then in flowering week 2, i started noticing a nute def, at first i figured mg, then leaves started fading to leave me thinking it was N def or maybe heat. For 2 weeks the ladies really suffered. Then I figured i should flush the whole res out, and I also cracked a different brand of ph down, so I took careful notice how the water was reacting to the new product, when I saw the ph meter numbers weren't moving as I added the ph down....DAMN. the ph meter took a puke on me this whole time when the plants started suffering!!!!!!!!!

I ran out, got a new milwaukee sm-801, and, POOF; the res was running at 3.3 this whole time! Good old fashioned nute lockout that almost cost me the entire crop! So considering the quality of this strain as it is, I'm now rejuvenating the best plant, cutting clones, and doing a scrog with the next generation. I simply can't balieve the quality of the genetics from meduser / woodhorse seeds. They survived the worst chicago cold snap in 50 years, living in sub 4 ph water for weeks, and still produced 2 dry oz for one good plant and one sickly baby. Incredible genetics is all I can say. Lesson learned. i now keep ph strips alongside my 'trusty' ph meter, and will calibrate every few weeks! I you learned anything from this, down trust a chinese-made ph meter !

berbes

[Dr.Smitty]

Excellent report and thanks so much.

[Med User420]

hey I gotta a pack of these from meduser.ca. After hearing your report I think I'll crack a few!!

[berbes]

still jar curing, and it looks/tastes better every day!

[vandee]

and it was a pleasure to produce.......

my next go will be the Treewreck vs the Vanwreck for the other side of this hybrid. ( Trainwreck is a distinctly different strain despite the hype , check out some recent threads here at TY for informed opinions on the actual situation of "wreck identities".

Meduser was the retailer of Vanwreck, I was the breeder. Not an ego feed,..but since corrections on that side of the web are impossible, (and certainly unwelcome) this side should stick to reality, vs marketing.

Trainwreck original is grown,.. and shown by some members here. Member Leroy has done them both,.. the differences are major,...a complement to both strains in my opinion.

I have yet to encounter "Trainwreck" myself,.. and feel compelled to correct the misunderstanding, having produced the seed myself of the hybrid mentioned in this thread, it is awkward for me when its origins are mislabelled. Any commercially available strain I produce MUST reflect its origins,......breeding is an exact thing......misnomers only confuse ( and frankly trivialize ) medical grade cannabis.

The identities of various wrecks were made clear to me only upon my return to TY earlier this year by real time members,..living with the original strain...I am in their debt for such an invaluable correction..this was the origin of Vanwreck , Treewreck on my side of things...I renamed my work to reflect the breeder,..and the obvious different identity, betwixt the "wreck " strains.Such is the complexity of its history. I hope this simplifies things. Its a very important clarification, especially in my case,..where I encourage potential breeders to multiply stock that I offer for the general good. Even within my work,.. Treewreck and Vanwreck are consistently , and obviously different regarding phenotype. Treewreck is an original .... its origins have never seen sourgrapes.ca,.. and the references there as to an IBL are high, dishonest fantasy, as the IBL is a work in progress under my exclusive control. Another example of cash grab via title, vs actual,..HONESTwork. Im confident erroneous references will subside, once the players involved realize they have no point of reference,...before too much damage is done to his site. I bitterly and stubbornly oppose sleaze when it bleeds a sincere effort to stabilize and introduce a strain unique to my,..or another's breeder's work. ( read: for Christ sakes' pop your own beans oh shameless hungry parasites).
Profiteering through one generation muddies the waters for those seeking honest,..repeatable
genetics.... contrary to the whole concept of providing reliable "medicine" described by a reliable strainbase. Breeders require ethics,... salesman require opportunity........the first requires an honest history,..the second requires mere appetite. Its the only defense against making medical grade cannabis a joke... Cannabis breeders don't enjoy the standards of their conventional peers in the flower or vegetable industry. Self regulation is key... Real work needs attention,.. frauds need to be exposed....and med patients need a reference beyond name dropping when they shop for exclusive strains. All commodities have passed through their young snake oil stages,... but the hope is,.. today,.. its very difficult to buy "milk" or 'gasoline" or "pennicillin" that isnt exactly as promised. With vigilance , I see a TrainWreck,... Vanwreck...or Haze , any true type of Cannabis, in the same light. Consistency through regulation. Consider my long post as " active" regulation to this end. Simply, I know of no seed source for pure TrainWreck. Pretenders to the title need to be challenged. Rogue claims dismissed, variations of the gene pool, described and explored. Online catalogues do not a strainbase make. WORK begets WORK begets WORK begets a strain. Everything else ... a parasite on this method.

Sorry...but I live this shit,.. and enough is enough....There are so many potential genetic combinations of cannabis available to an enthusiastic breeder that false name dropping or simply lying as to what a strain really is by calling it something attractive and marketable remains within the realm of the impatient pathetic. DO THE WORK WANNABES ....... med patients are vulnerable enough, they don't need deception in their seedbank choices to twist the knife.

copyright Rev. Vandee,..church of the big stick.

p.s. Brolen was a cool guy who I can't find anymore anywhere,..and was the original breeder for Woodhorse before my arrival. While his Trainwreck references are naive,..I'm sure he wasn't aware of the issues I've introduced here of TRUE identities of select strains,(neither was I until I evolved to TY )the path to actual Trainwreck nomenclature is a long and twisted one, and full of controversy and contradiction..(read "Trainwreck" the name,.. sells lotsa seed)
Brolen made excellent soapstone pipes, one of which I frequently use. Anyone with a heads up as to his whereabouts online, please let me know... he was a good egg,... now he's vanished...

[Marco Renda]

I think I saw Brolen on Reefermans forum yesterday.

Wescyber is in contact with the ORIGINAL BREEDER of Trainwreck

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[Cannawonder-2]

Sounds like someone is a tad confused about Woodhorse Trainwreck's origins.
It came from TUCK originally, and VERY LITTLE (if ANY) "work" was done on it to make it any different by ANYONE, EVER.
The seeds are the SAME now as they were 4 years ago, so any claims of "work being done on them" are exactly that, "claims!"
I suggest that if folks want the truth about this strain, then they should go to meduser himself and ask him, rather than heed the words of a bitter "EX" breeder, who is now making a play to remarket genetics that were never his to do so with.
Without meduser.ca, "vandee" would still be as much of an UNKNOWN as is so very appropriate.

[Marco Renda]

Sounds like someone is a tad confused about Woodhorse Trainwreck's origins.
It came from TUCK originally, and VERY LITTLE (if ANY) "work" was done on it to make it any different by ANYONE, EVER.
The seeds are the SAME now as they were 4 years ago, so any claims of "work being done on them" are exactly that, "claims!"
I suggest that if folks want the truth about this strain, then they should go to meduser himself and ask him, rather than heed the words of a bitter "EX" breeder, who is now making a play to remarket genetics that were never his to do so with.
Without meduser.ca, "vandee" would still be as much of an UNKNOWN as is so very appropriate.

TRAINWRECK wasn't Tuck's genetic Tuck STOLE those unstable genetics from a grower in California that Wescyber has been working with the past year or so. If you grow out Tucks TW you will find all kinds of phenoms

Vandee was a member of TY long before meduser even had a website. Too bad the original breeder of TW is paranoid otherwise he himself would post all the info.

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[berbes]

i do believe the ball is in your court, vandee...

[leroy]

I'm still not sure of what the exact problem or conflict is. This thread will probably be our best chance to put this issue to bed once and for all. We can work together to straighten out this whole TrainWreck name confusion/mess or it can fracture even more with no one coming out ahead and all the med user's not knowing which pheno is which.
For example, Arcata cut Trainwreck, jo-jo's S1's, Tuck's cut, woodhorse, VanWreck, TreeWreck, Reeferman's MajourWreck, Bannana Wreck, NorcalWreck, the Alaska cut Trainwreck, PermafrostWreck. And let's not forget, I kept a male Treewreck outside months ago and let him screw the Arcata cut and already have those beans growing so what in the @&#& am I supposed to do with that? I'll tell ya what, I'm going to keep crossing it back to the Arcata cut and send those beans to Vandee and let him deal with it. You know why? Cuz I'm a grower, a smoker and a midnite toker. ;-)

[vandee]

Chris, Meduser, Cannawonder, ......

Why not just get it over with, and say hello. Pretending to be someone else is half your problem.
I suck at rackquet sports berbes,.. but except for med's ,..ah,.. Canna's last gasp,... all you have read above is true.

I began years ago with five beans( and yes,..Chris did mail them to me) .I suppose since the envelope had a stamp,..Chris owns the post office too.

The THOUSANDS that followed over the YEARS, the pix presently posted at meduser.ca re: Woodhorse Trainwreck ,.even as we speak.. and his infamous but impossible IBL Treewreck which he also seems to own,... were all generated by me. I chose subsequent parents each generation from hundreds of sprouted candidates,...yada,..yada..

Im into the f5 vanwrecks...just now isolating and tuning the Treewreck into an IBL.......(compare the Vanwrecks here at TY to those at meduser.ca..they are from the same stock)Ive killed more wreck types in their selection (necessary when refining a pheno) then Cannawonder-2 aka med has ever sold. I have the single seedmother to all things Treewreck a few kilometers from here,..but miraculously it also seems to have sprouted under Chris's bike in B.C. years ago,.. and now is his IBL. Geez louise,.. you a bug in my tent mister.

Why push this? You've been gifted thousands of seeds,..and your still at it? Let it go man...... better yet,... sprout something , preferable cannabis,...and make it your own. As I have mentioned to you personally,... the fact that what you call TW at woodhorse is my old work, as time goes by,...even if you were to do nothing,..my stock would continue to evolve,..in a coupla years,6 to 8 generations..the differences would be obvious from a distance, and that's just the pheno.

The claim that I simply reproduced a rock solid line and renamed it is ludicrous... of the original 5 beans...one female ended at 81 days,..her sister at 50. and thats just the finishing times.

Don't diss my breeding, diss my reputation with your page long Web rants,then sell my work as your own,..knowing full well you had nothing to do with anything. The fact that 80% of my work was a friggin DONATION costing you nothing, seems lost on you......let it go......this thread is the turning point where things start working against you.

My last point in this thread,.. I'm the one whos been ripped off here. Years of my work and selections ,..and not just the "wreck' pool are being and have been sold for pure profit by somebody who hasn't popped a bean for his cause YET. Somebody find Mr. Tuck and ask him if he recognizes Vanwreck as his own. He won't, he can't,.. because his seed,..that I presumably began with,..had as many phenotypes as seeds...it was a hybrid...this is obvious,..and my whole goal (and Chris's while he was still in human form) was to stabilize the line into as few,..and as distinct a phenotype expression as possible........well thats what I've done.

Anyways.... Im leaving this...people can decide for themselves..... I left meduser.ca , but it seems to have followed me here. My point was to correct the record. WoodHorse Trainwreck is Vanwreck. Its my last generation. Its great. Its cheap,..go buy some from Chris. Trainwreck... the original .... I have never seen, and Chris is living a dream sequence if he thinks otherwise.

Grow something , know something, THEN start typing please.

UGH..... Im going to brush my teeth now....

[Cannawonder-2]

Well I am not sure what you are ranting about here man.
That was my point exactly.
No one has ever claimed Trainwreck was Woodhorse's or anyone elses for that matter.
What is sold as Woodhorse Trainwreck is exactly that, Woodhorse Trainwreck.

It is exactly the same now, as it was when it was given you and when it was given to woodhorse.
Granted, you grew out a whack of the seeds, and found ONE unusual and probably never to be seen again pheno (unless as is being done, it has been worked further than the ONE backcross you had done to date) which is the Giant Trainwreck. It was interesting enough to continue, but required no great amount of work to produce. That has yet to come in the future backcrosses to stabilization.
Other than that, Trainwreck is the same as it has been since day one, and it had zero to do with you or meduser or anyone, but Steve Tuck, who produced this version of TW by Backcrossing an Afghani to the original Arcata cut way back, which eventually made it's way into Woodhorse hands.
As for disrespect, I suggest you take a good look at yourself before being critical.
Nothing has been said that wasn't warranted after what has been said by you about Woodhorse Seeds. (none of which was called for)
No strain has EVER been misrepresented by Woodhorse seeds, and at never more than $30 a pack, greed and the desire to become rich are CLEARLY not a motivation to tell lies about what is produced.
End of discussion.

[leroy]

Hence the name confusion. Tuck didn't back-cross. He couldn't. No original Father. He could have avoided all the confusion and simply called his TuckTrain.

[vandee]

Med,
What you sell is what I decided to grow out. Your Chemo,.. your TW,... even your heri were multipheno messes. To say what you sell today is identical to what I started with is absurd. If you ever actually grew out your product over these years,.(in quantity).youd know this.

Your "exactly the same " Trainwreck was a typical hybrid bred to itself. My first big seed grow had DOZENS of expressions,... I didnt sacrifice hundreds of seeds because the plants were identical ,..but because I was trying to find extrodinary plants to limit the gene pool for the next generation. what you sell, and others here grow are the last generation of this ONGOING process. This approach is very inefficient and time consuming (read years) and my apparent"bitterness" MAY stem from your dismissal that it ever even occurred. The reason your first seed counts were low,..was because most of the plants I grew out initially were unsuitable for breeding stock. Subsequent generations become more similar,..eventually something approaching stability shows up and then more plants are suitable for breeding=more seed. Vanwreck enjoys this status,..but it took years to get there.
If you wish to continue to say otherwise,...fine. You say lots of things all the time. But this thread is not the place for Woodhorse damage control. Telling me what I've been doing the last few years is approaching the bizarre.

I often point people towards your seedbank,.. because I see a low price and great genetics. I also see my great genetics at your low prices. And lucky you, as I enjoy none of the benefits from their sale. And I cease to care. My whole point was........ STOP CALLING IT TRAINWRECK.

anyways...
always nice to chat with you Chris. Why not run with it and change your name and avatar to ah,..I dunno,.. meduser.ca, as this place seems more than happy to indulge you. Maybe you can return the favour and let dangerous MARCO actually participate in your homeworld, as you ban him everytime he extends an olive branch your way.... Just a suggestion. I'd like to join to...I may still have a friend or two back there.

Sorry TY...but this was a long time coming... and chris DOES run a fine seedbank with low prices. I should know.

sorry berbes for mangling your thread. Vanwreck/Heri is one of my favorite smokes.

[vandee]

Hence the name confusion. Tuck didn't back-cross. He couldn't. No original Father. He could have avoided all the confusion and simply called his TuckTrain.

.......Ahmen

[berbes]

wow, sorry to have openned up this can 'o worms. i don't know anything about breeding, probs between people -- i also had no idea chris was involved in any of these replies.

all i've ever read about trainwreck on the net is, the only way to get 'the real stuff' is thru a clone, but chris had his wreck at an incredible price, as all his inventory is.

i'm beginning to find out the 'backstage' area of the breeding world is indeed a dark, twisty road.

vandee, you've never steered me wrong and chris has only been my biggest help with innumerable newbie problems. i think i'll just grow the best medicine on the planet for personal use and keep the hell out of the way.

thanks, guys. be well.
berbes

[leroy]

No problems here, Berbes. I personally like ALL the people involved.

[Green Medicine]

GM relaxes in corner smoking some E-32 Trainwreck ..*chuckle*

BTW Marco he isn't paranoid...just doesn't have the time or inclination.
He has other things to occupy his day. Like caring for sick people.

[vandee]

Well,
I blame GM for everything. If he would have kept the truth to himself , I wouldn't BLACK OUT everytime I hear the name "TrainW.................. (splat sound).

[leroy]

Should we even tell him about the 2 original's? One pre-med club, {E-32} & the other after the club broke it's vow not to screw with the original?{Arcata-cut.} Or do I have it back-assward's? Either way, don't mention it to Vandee, it will make him faint again. ;-)

[berbes]

ok ok ok...i kinda get the history, but with the suffix 'wreck', what exactly is the 'wreck' part of the bloodline anyway? then with all the different prefixes (van, tree, train) i'm thinking those are the different phenos introduced to the 'wreck', right? not to get tooooo sciency here, but am i even close?

the followup q would be, is there one 'wreck' blend that stands head & shoulders above the others, or are they all great, with somewhat different attributes?

[Green Medicine]

I think what it boils down to is that a "larger than usual" group of MMJ patients have found the strain to have some "exceptional" properties as medicine.

Many strains are medicinal but TW seems to hold a place above many other strains.
Many people report then when it is hybridized, it's exceptional properties change, not for the better.

That doesn't mean crosses aren't fine meds....only that they are not as "well liked" by patients that have used the original strain, as well of complaints of the "relief" being missing..

It is unique, exceptional medicine especially for neuropathy and severe chronic pain. People also use it for Bio-Psychological disorders like
ADD-ADHD and Bipolar disorder and Clinical Depression.

It has always been in great demand in California's medical dispensaries for it as well.

Usually when you see a strain with the word "wreck" in it...it's a hybrid of trainwreck. It's pretty hard to duplicate the original male if no seeds are available. Of course Reeferman found a way..sort of... by using a "selfed" plant with 1/4 the genetic potential of a natural TW x TW mating.

So look for MajorWreck to be called trainwreck and who knows what it will be?

Some "breeders" in California also "Selfed" several POTENT and rare kushes:
Bubba, OG Kush, Pure Kush and Leopard kush as S-1, S-2 seeds and now those weaker seeds are making clones , sold as the real, rare thing with dissapointing results.

Even Cali's medical clubs are selling meds and clones of these S-1's as the original...leaving the grower / patient "holding the bag". And people paying
$500 for a clone of what they think is the real deal....but it's not.

Pretty soon the strain gets diluted and who knows what you are getting, the
amazing strain or a weak copy. You can't "un-mix" a milkshake!

After a while it becomes a gamble: is it real or is it the weaker one?

That's why I applaud Vandee's approach in naming VanWreck, VanWreck.
This way it stands alone on the breeders merits without creating dilution and confusion.

Be Well,
G--M

[vandee]

"Trainwreck"...almost a warning.I hope to get a real "Trainwreck" someday...it can only be good.....as a stand alone or crossed to anything. Outside the special qualities of the pure form , ok,..but woah...crossed with a powerful indica...what a hybrid that would be.
my versions...yes.. Treewreck describes the elongation of the nodes,... and the overall dimensions of the plant........ It is also ,..in my breeding stable ,...the most powerful of my 2 wrecks, with a distinct floral smell vs the lemony/piney Vanwreck. Vanwreck I think isa much better choice indoors...hard nugs, compact growth,..and earlier by a bout a week than the Treewreck. It also doesn't require the intense light the Treewreck requires indoors to maintain its bud density.
The picture was taken from my thread earlier this year,..the plants later were too ugly to photograph as the Borg mites took their toll as the plants reached maturity...the Treewreck is obviously the larger of the two..both plants were the same age......
IGNORE the title of the pic...Im too pooped to change the title...Vanwreck I called Trainwreck, an early pic before I was enlightened about the true "Trainwre........ (splat sound)

Geez..blood on the keyboard... I need one of those plastic cover thingys..

Anywho I cant upload the pic twice to the boards,..so here's the link to the thread with the pic
http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbul...ad.php?t=11808

[Marco Renda]

GM relaxes in corner smoking some E-32 Trainwreck ..*chuckle*

BTW Marco he isn't paranoid...just doesn't have the time or inclination.
He has other things to occupy his day. Like caring for sick people.

Glad to know that he isn't paranoid any longer! It would be nice though if he followed through with his promise to send TY TW seeds.

At any rate I'm glad that he is still helping med patients in Cali.

Take Care and Peace
Marco

[Spawnof84]

Thats about how frostythe 'wreck x sensi star im growing and grew early this year. I love this stuff it puts you right on your ass : )